NP Vollmann's "Europe Central"

[bekah]

Could be.  I hadn't thought of it that way.   I saw that when it's 
evil vs evil - guess who wins?

Bekah

At 5:00 PM -0400 6/26/06, B C Johnson wrote:
>Based on so much of Europe Central as I've read, it seems that 
>anarchy is the outcome of the collapse of Hitler's terror-state, and 
>what comes after is possibly worse:  the routinization of terror, 
>terror as a business, terror as part of one's daily routine.  In 
>this respect, EC thus far reminds me of "The Counterforce" section 
>of GR (albeit with fewer laughs).
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>bekah
>To: <mailto:bjohnson02 at insightbb.com>B C Johnson ; 
><mailto:ruudsaurins at aol.com>ruudsaurins at aol.com ; 
><mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>pynchon-l at waste.org
>Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:38 PM
>Subject: Re: NP Vollmann's "Europe Central"
>
>I see your point but I think it's rather beyond the scope of EC 
>whether or not anarchy is what led to Hitler and Lenin/Stalin. 
>I've not read any other of Vollmann's books but I've read about them 
>and it seems as though he might just address the issue  of anarchy 
>directly.  Anyone read any other Vollmann?
>
>Bekah
>
>
>
>At 1:57 PM -0400 6/26/06, B C Johnson wrote:
>
>>To clarify somewhat:  I really meant "Spike Jones", the American 
>>musical anarchist.  Where Jones and Pynchon see creative 
>>possibilities in anarchy, King Crimson and Vollman see it as a 
>>condition precedent to autocratic authoritarianism (or that's my 
>>impression).
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>
>>From: <mailto:ruudsaurins at aol.com>ruudsaurins at aol.com
>>
>>To: <mailto:bjohnson02 at insightbb.com>bjohnson02 at insightbb.com
>>
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:22 PM
>>
>>Subject: Re: NP Vollmann's "Europe Central"
>>
>>
>>Hoy! Hoy!
>>
>>     As a long time King Crimson devotee, I am curious as to your 
>>observation.  I know Spike Lee and Pynchon, I know a little about 
>>Vollman (Rising Up/Down), and a lot about King Crimson.  It sounds 
>>as if I should try Europe Central sometime before the alleged 
>>release of the new Pynchon novel.  Thanx!
>>
>>                                                                      truly,
>>
>>                                                                      ruud
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: B C Johnson <bjohnson02 at insightbb.com>
>>To: bekah <bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>; pynchon-l at waste.org
>>Sent: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:39:35 -0400
>>Subject: Re: NP Vollmann's "Europe Central"
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>>I'm reading Europe Central and finding it just engrossing. As 
>>Pynchon is to Spike Lee, Vollman is to King Crimson. Tip o' the hat 
>>to bekka. 
>>
>>bekka wrote: 
>>
>>>  You bet it is. One of the best I've read in years by anyone. I 
>>>think it > could be a successful group read here. 
>>> 
>>>  Bekah
>>
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