Trotsky reconsidered

[gp]

http://www.weeklydig.com/news_opinions/articles/children_of_lyndon

Decent article on the LaRouche youth movement that is rather active in Boston.

I can definitely see how Trotsky and the neo-cons could be equated.
It feels to me however that Trotsky was doing it because he actually
saw some sort of ideal, twisted or otherwise, for the populace whereas
the neocons seem to see only money and power for themselves.  I could
be severely mistaken however in saying that this was not Trotsky's
true aim.

On 10/12/06, mikebailey at speakeasy.net <mikebailey at speakeasy.net> wrote:
>
>
> I think a lot of your neo-cons are ex-Trotskyites too.  I associate Trotsky
> with the idea of actually being glad when the government does something
> horrible (like invade Iraq) because that will show people how bad it is and
> hasten its downfall.  So maybe that's why they did it???  Maybe they are
> deep cover and not ex-Trotskyites at all...(now there's a journal article
> topic for Paranoid Systems of History)
>
> re: Larouche, he's been around long enough and been part of enough weird
> things to make me think he's deep cover CIA or something (-;
>
> I respect his vigor, his longevity, and his writing.  Going to the horse's
> mouth, his actual writing (if one disregards the bombast and self-promotion)
> is quite interesting.  Examples
> http://www.schillerinstitute.org/economy/phys_econ/physical_econ_main.html
> and
> http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/931_subject_god-2.html
> -- oowee, this is as much fun as reading Wilhelm Reich, with an added
> dimension of lorry-loads of classical references (if you're into that sort
> of thing) -- I was also trying to find the link for one of his articles
> where he explicates a Socratic dialogue with a Sophist, but can't find it
> atm -- excellent schtuff, tho...
>
> I remain skeptical about both his side of the various negative stories and
> about the "establishment press" version of him as both clownish and
> dangerous.  Of course, the establishment press never misinterprets anything
> or anybody...and authors of various exposes of him certainly have no axes to
> grind and are completely unbiased...
>
> interesting FOIA gleaning - a letter from Kissinger to (then FBI director)
> William Webster in 1982, which mentions Larouche:
>
> http://www.schillerinstitute.org/graphics/text/dearbill.gif
>   don't you love it: "It was good to see you at the Grove..."
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gp [mailto:wescac at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 02:12 PM
> > To: mikebailey at speakeasy.net
> > Cc: pynchon-l at waste.org
> > Subject: Re: Trotsky reconsidered
> >
> > Larouche is the only guy on that list I know enough about to call a
> madman.
> >
> > On 10/11/06, mikebailey at speakeasy.net <mikebailey at speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > Trotsky still fails my litmus test of non-violence, as to being somebody
> I'd
> > > support wholeheartedly.
> > >
> > > However, he does seem to have left an impressive legacy in the form of
> > > writers, activists, and investigators.
> > >
> > > Sidney Hook started as a Trotskyite. (ended up getting a medal of
> freedom
> > > or something from the gipper, but along the way wrote some memorable
> words
> > > about Marx and other topics)
> > >
> > > Lyndon Larouche started as a Trotskyite, and from the Larouche ranks
> come
> > > the investigators who wrote the unauthorized bio of GHW Bush, available
> free
> > > on the web - note that Webster and Tarpley say pretty outrageous things
> in
> > > there, but have never been sued for them
> > >
> > > AJ Muste was a Trotskyite, who (rather humorously, I tend to think) left
> the
> > > movement after meeting with Trotsky in Sweden. That was only one leg of
> a
> > > European vacation for him and his wife, though: on the Paris leg he
> visited
> > > Chartres and had an epiphany that brought him back to Christianity and
> made
> > > of him a lifelong peace activist (founder of Fellowship of
> Reconciliation)
> > >
> > > And then the controversial historian Lenni Brenner apparently is a
> > > Trotskyite.
> > >
> > > As far as I know, none of them emulated Trotsky in terms of building a
> > > revolutionary Army and motivating them by threatening to harm their
> families
> > > - but apparently instead were inspired by him to think critically and
> write
> > > incisively.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >