Trotsky reconsidered

[Joe Allonby]

Thise people are nuts. They even have a glazed look in their eyes.

Cool of you to link to the "Dig". It's something that I look forward to
reading every week.

On 10/12/06, gp <wescac at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.weeklydig.com/news_opinions/articles/children_of_lyndon
>
> Decent article on the LaRouche youth movement that is rather active in
> Boston.
>
> I can definitely see how Trotsky and the neo-cons could be equated.
> It feels to me however that Trotsky was doing it because he actually
> saw some sort of ideal, twisted or otherwise, for the populace whereas
> the neocons seem to see only money and power for themselves.  I could
> be severely mistaken however in saying that this was not Trotsky's
> true aim.
>
> On 10/12/06, mikebailey at speakeasy.net <mikebailey at speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think a lot of your neo-cons are ex-Trotskyites too.  I associate
> Trotsky
> > with the idea of actually being glad when the government does something
> > horrible (like invade Iraq) because that will show people how bad it is
> and
> > hasten its downfall.  So maybe that's why they did it???  Maybe they are
> > deep cover and not ex-Trotskyites at all...(now there's a journal
> article
> > topic for Paranoid Systems of History)
> >
> > re: Larouche, he's been around long enough and been part of enough weird
> > things to make me think he's deep cover CIA or something (-;
> >
> > I respect his vigor, his longevity, and his writing.  Going to the
> horse's
> > mouth, his actual writing (if one disregards the bombast and
> self-promotion)
> > is quite interesting.  Examples
> >
> http://www.schillerinstitute.org/economy/phys_econ/physical_econ_main.html
> > and
> > http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/931_subject_god-2.html
> > -- oowee, this is as much fun as reading Wilhelm Reich, with an added
> > dimension of lorry-loads of classical references (if you're into that
> sort
> > of thing) -- I was also trying to find the link for one of his articles
> > where he explicates a Socratic dialogue with a Sophist, but can't find
> it
> > atm -- excellent schtuff, tho...
> >
> > I remain skeptical about both his side of the various negative stories
> and
> > about the "establishment press" version of him as both clownish and
> > dangerous.  Of course, the establishment press never misinterprets
> anything
> > or anybody...and authors of various exposes of him certainly have no
> axes to
> > grind and are completely unbiased...
> >
> > interesting FOIA gleaning - a letter from Kissinger to (then FBI
> director)
> > William Webster in 1982, which mentions Larouche:
> >
> > http://www.schillerinstitute.org/graphics/text/dearbill.gif
> >   don't you love it: "It was good to see you at the Grove..."
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: gp [mailto:wescac at gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 02:12 PM
> > > To: mikebailey at speakeasy.net
> > > Cc: pynchon-l at waste.org
> > > Subject: Re: Trotsky reconsidered
> > >
> > > Larouche is the only guy on that list I know enough about to call a
> > madman.
> > >
> > > On 10/11/06, mikebailey at speakeasy.net <mikebailey at speakeasy.net>
> wrote:
> > > > Trotsky still fails my litmus test of non-violence, as to being
> somebody
> > I'd
> > > > support wholeheartedly.
> > > >
> > > > However, he does seem to have left an impressive legacy in the form
> of
> > > > writers, activists, and investigators.
> > > >
> > > > Sidney Hook started as a Trotskyite. (ended up getting a medal of
> > freedom
> > > > or something from the gipper, but along the way wrote some memorable
> > words
> > > > about Marx and other topics)
> > > >
> > > > Lyndon Larouche started as a Trotskyite, and from the Larouche ranks
> > come
> > > > the investigators who wrote the unauthorized bio of GHW Bush,
> available
> > free
> > > > on the web - note that Webster and Tarpley say pretty outrageous
> things
> > in
> > > > there, but have never been sued for them
> > > >
> > > > AJ Muste was a Trotskyite, who (rather humorously, I tend to think)
> left
> > the
> > > > movement after meeting with Trotsky in Sweden. That was only one leg
> of
> > a
> > > > European vacation for him and his wife, though: on the Paris leg he
> > visited
> > > > Chartres and had an epiphany that brought him back to Christianity
> and
> > made
> > > > of him a lifelong peace activist (founder of Fellowship of
> > Reconciliation)
> > > >
> > > > And then the controversial historian Lenni Brenner apparently is a
> > > > Trotskyite.
> > > >
> > > > As far as I know, none of them emulated Trotsky in terms of building
> a
> > > > revolutionary Army and motivating them by threatening to harm their
> > families
> > > > - but apparently instead were inspired by him to think critically
> and
> > write
> > > > incisively.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
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