AtDDtA(15): As If in a Dream

[Mark Kohut]

Dear Jill,
   
  Interesting...and if I may add my overarching, probably overreaching thoughts:
   
  Is this chapter an extended presentation of Pirate's dream in the beginning of GR, when, 
  learning the rocket has now been launched he decides to:
   
  PICK BANANAS!
   
  mk

"grladams at teleport.com" <grladams at teleport.com> wrote:
  This is my favorite chapter of the book. I'm glad to have the opportunity
to comment, and I'll do it by comparing it to another thing I am reading
right now.

"It's very difficult to keep the line between the past and the present. You
know what I mean? It's awfully difficult."
—Little Edie Bouvier Beale

I've been watching all the product of David and Albert Maysles Grey
Gardens. Someone gave me a DVD last month and it took me by surprise. But
since I'm not in NY I could not see the Musical, yet it will come to DVD
soon. It has some bearing on one of TRP's major points in AtD, the
Trespassers, and also the point that 'things will run out' -- I view the
trespassers as having their eye on a more beautiful gilded priveliged time
from the point of view of being in a messy, depleted paranoid present time
with cat shit and vermin... This reminds me of what I think is going on
here in AtD, it with the biography of a people who, like the Beales, whose
reach is so extended and lavish in one era, that in the era that follows,
at least for these two ladies, all that is left is looking at the past and
dancing the VMI military dance (she might as well have had a harmonica)
while the estate crumbles around them? How could we have known--which side
is our bread buttered on? I got addicted sometime last month and have
watched everything at least 4 times now, read Lois Wright's memoir, all the
google book snippets, a biography of the bouviers, the takeoff novel
Gristmill by Caldwell, Proquest NYT Historical, etc etc.

Jill

Original Message:
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From: Dave Monroe against.the.dave at gmail.com
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:05:53 -0500
To: pynchon-l at waste.org
Subject: AtDDtA(15): As If in a Dream


"As if in a dream, they would come to recall attending Candlebrow
U. not as visitors to a summer Conference but as full-time music
students ..." (AtD, Pt. II, p. 418)


Again, what IS diegetically "real" here? Are the Chums of Chance a
boys' airship crew who dream they are a harmonica marching band, or
are they "really" a marching band who dream they're an airship crew?
Why IS the episode here? ANYTHING in this chapter?

Tore?

http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0703&msg=116677

John?

http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0703&msg=116679

Mark?

http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0703&msg=116680

David?

http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0703&msg=116685

David?

http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0703&msg=116690

Anyone?

http://waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l&month=0703&msg=116535

Help! Let me know. Thanks ...

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