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[bekah]

But it was stated more than once that Lake is a "Child of the Storm;" 
she is Webb's child in blood only - they have, for all intents and 
purposes, disowned each other.    Deuce on the other hand is Webb's 
child of the spirit.   I wonder if that idea adds anything to this 
conversation.   Are these two sides of Traverse trying to come 
together?

What Storm? - and I'm aware of Rider-  was she the product of the 
Storm of Passion (love)  or anarchy or something like that?  Or is 
she Lost in the Storm?   Or is there something else going on?

  Is she trying to get back into the Traverse family in a spiritual 
way?  Does she recognize her father's spirit,  her other half,  in 
Deuce?   There may be something else in addition to  the 
fascist-fascination and/ or incest interest here.

Finally,  probably my last thought on this,  the capitalists,  as 
represented by the Vibes,   are finally screwing the Webb family from 
all directions.

Bekah


At 12:57 PM -0700 5/23/07, Mark Kohut wrote:
>Two partial answers to your questions.....I do not know why, human 
>motivationally, Lake marries Deuce.  (a seaman deuce--V.--by the way 
>is a seaman apprentice, so a Deuce Kindred is....pretty clear).   I 
>do think, however, it is Pynchon's way of saying: Webb and his 
>killers are kindred.....Webb, too, was a killer, as we know.
>
>Having them join the bloodlines is almost too heavy a way to make the point.
>
>Non-Chums sections are not a boy's adventure fiction, another daylit 
>fiction.....
>The non-Chums sections are.........pointedly.....to be reality.
>
>MK
>
>You gathered great bits here with great questions.
>
>Jasper <jasper.fidget at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>262-265 Deuce and Lake Get Hitched (continued)
>
>Page 262
>celluloid-collar ads
>http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/collarads.htm
>
>
>Go ahead and buy one:
>http://www.riverjunction.com/catalog/mensfurn/collars.html
>
>
>---
>
>"the way his face that morning, even with the smoke in the room, had
>slowly emerged into clarity?"
>
>Compare to p. 240 where Renfrew's face slowly becomes distinct. Maybe P
>just likes this kind of image.
>
>---
>
>Willis Turnstone
>Turnstone turns up on p. 307; his arrival is described starting p. 309
>(which was the Amazon excerpt before the book was released)
>A turnstone is a bird:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruddy_Turnstone
>
>
>---
>
>cocksure
>adjective: presumptuously or arrogantly confident
>— DERIVATIVES cocksureness noun.
>— ORIGIN from archaic cock (a euphemism for God) + SURE; later
>associated with COCK.
>[Compact Oxford English Dictionary]
>
>---
>
>"by something /outside them/"
>Destiny? see also p 261
>
>---
>
>"there wasn't one [woman] didn't secretly love a killer"
>Now ladies, is this accurate?
>
>---
>
>Page 263
>"a mighty desirable length of calico"
>Calico Cal"i*co, n.; pl. Calicoes. [So called because first
>imported from Calicut, in the East Indies: cf. F. calicot.]
>1. Plain white cloth made from cotton, but which receives
>distinctive names according to quality and use, as, super
>calicoes, shirting calicoes, unbleached calicoes, etc.
>[Eng.]
>[1913 Webster]
>
>2. Cotton cloth printed with a figured pattern.
>[1913 Webster]
>
>---
>
>"what about when we're old?"
>"Unless we could beat it. Never get old."
>To what extent are we to connect the non-Chums sections with the Chums?
>This anyway seems to connect. Oh right, "everything connects". Forgot
>about that.
>
>---
>
>"Crazier."
>Cf Bonnie and Clyde.
>*wiki*
>
>---
>
>Oleander Prudge
>A name that brings joy to the heart of any Dickensian who happens to be
>reading along.
>*wiki*
>
>---
>
>"Some would've said she knew even then what he'd done. Could not have
>helped knowing, God sakes."
>
>Today's superlative essay question:
>Why then? Explain it to me and the hoards of onlookers. If she at least
>suspected, probably knew, then why marry Deuce? Why Lake&Deuce, why? See
>also p. 266: What are the motivations of each in marrying the other?
>
>---
>
>Page 264
>single-jacker
>A miner who with a hammer and spike cuts a hole into rock for placement
>of a stick of dynamite. A set of holes are cut for each "synchronized"
>blast. (Double jackers work as a team.) Infer (this) one as a loner, a
>bit crazy, single minded, silent, easily hurt or misunderstood, doesn't
>play well with others...
>*wiki*
>
>---
>
>Page 265
>tintypes of all the kids
>A tintype (also called a ferotype or melainotype) is a photograph made
>on a sheet of iron (not really tin) instead of on paper.
>http://www.grandmemories.com/Restorations.htm
>
>
>Here's some tintypes of kids:
>http://www.nlg.dk/tintypes/kids.html
>
>---
>
>shirtwaist
>A woman's blouse or bodice styled like a tailored shirt.
>http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shirtwaist
>
>A shirtwaist was originally a separate blouse constructed like a shirt.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waist_(clothing
>)
>
>---
>
>"And she was gone, and Lake sat there with her legs trembling but not a
>thought in her head, and didn't go after her, and [...] she didn't ever
>see her mother again."
>
>This is the scene where Mayva leaves her home because her daughter is in
>it. Any thoughts?
>
>---
>
>"backing away down the valley"
>It's instructive to look at a satellite photo of Telluride. You could
>very well lay a single track from the mouth of the valley up to the
>town, but no farther. So the train drives into the station, then backs
>out until there's room for a spur where it can turn around.
>*wiki*
>
>Photos of Telluride valley (between 1892 and 1905):
>http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?10000158+X-158
>
>http://photoswest.org/cgi-bin/imager?10062352+X-62352
>
>
>See here for that recommended satellite photo (although with Google
>Earth you can see the terrain):
>http://tinyurl.com/2wq6oz [google maps]
>
>---
>
>runninmate
>Aside from political candidate, the word can mean simply "A companion".
>Also "A horse used to set the pace in a race for another horse."
>http://www.thefreedictionary.com/running+mate
>
>
>---
>
>gullet of days
>???
>*wiki*
>[sic]
>
>I'll try: how about time?
>
>
>
>
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