Fwd: What to read next?

[Ian Livingston]

doh!

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From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: What to read next?
To: markekohut at yahoo.com


I had thought it might be nice to go back the beginning, to get a group read
of V., but as I only just re-read it a few months ago I'd be happy digging
into Vineland as it is next on my list after finishing my re-read of GR.
Trying to plan a thesis, here.  I found some cool stuff in V., might be fun
to test it on the group, see if I saw what I saw.


On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> > I vote for the consensus..........
> >
> > In fact, in a kind of homage to timelessness, I vote for
> > maybe reading more than one at a time???
> >
> > many on the the p-list is already doing that, it seems.
> >
> > a--and we always have more than one thread going
> > anyway.........
> >
> > We can make some wonderfully contrapuntal, full orchestral
> > sounds..........
> > Talk about Stravinsky!?
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, robinlandseadel at comcast.net
> > <robinlandseadel at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > From: robinlandseadel at comcast.net
> > <robinlandseadel at comcast.net>
> > > Subject: Re: AtD (37) p. 1055, Kafkaesque dream,
> > guilt, paranoia, Where is LAPD?
> > > To: "P-list" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > > Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 7:18 PM
> > > Laura:
> > >           Anyone up for a group read of Vineland next?
> > >
> > > I'd be up for it, someone else recommends
> > > "V.", I  suggested
> > > CoL 49—all have tight connections to AtD.
> > >
> > > Vineland is about surveillance reversed, turning the
> > > cameras on the finks.
> > >
> > > Considering how much space the creation of modern-day
> > spy
> > > networks
> > > takes up in AtD [GR, for that matter], Vineland offers
> > up
> > > much relevant
> > > material as regards spies, spying and the creation of
> > a
> > > permanent police
> > > state in the good old U.S.A. Vineland is also
> > connected to
> > > AtD via  the
> > > presence of Jesse Traverse and Frenesi"s taste
> > for
> > > C.O.P.s.
> > >
> > > If it turns out to be "V.", though, I'll
> > have
> > > a chance at connecting with a
> > > book that has left me cold ever since I first had a
> > crack
> > > at it twenty years
> > > ago. On the one hand, the characters in "V."
> > are
> > > the thinest in any of
> > > TRP's novels—the cardboard cutouts in Against
> > the Day
> > > usually have
> > > something funny ha-ha to say, there's a greater
> > > amusement potential.
> > > On the other, the time frame of "V."often
> > matches
> > > Against the Day,
> > > obviously OBA needed to tie up a lot of loose ends.
> > >
> > > I'll end by noting here, and probably later on,
> > that
> > > la Jarretière's
> > > little entrance on p. 1066 is partially in the way of
> > a
> > > belated apology for
> > > la Jarretière's scene in "V.", an ugly
> > > compendium of slurs and clichés
> > > on the arts scene. La Jarretière returns to assure us
> > it
> > > was only an
> > > outrageous stunt, no cause for concern. Must have been
> > what
> > > our boy
> > > was talkin' about when he said:
> > >
> > >           "It is only fair to warn even the most
> > > kindly disposed of readers
> > >           that there are some mighty tiresome passages
> > > here, juvinile and
> > >           deliquent too.  At the same time, my best
> > hope is
> > > that, pretentious,
> > >           goofy and ill-considered as they get now and
> > > then, these stories
> > >           will still be of use with all their flaws
> > intact,
> > > as illustrative of
> > >           typical problems in entry-level fiction, and
> > > cautionary about some
> > >           practices which younger writers might prefer
> > to
> > > avoid.
> > >           Slow Learner page 4
>
>
>
>
>
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