TMOP: Chapter 7

[Mark Kohut]

ok, if you've learned so...haven't kept up...

seems he had more suppression or repression than most, I  would think, but hardly know.

So, maybe Doestoevesky was a heterosexual equivalent...dunno.


--- On Fri, 10/17/08, Richard Ryan <richardryannyc at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Richard Ryan <richardryannyc at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: TMOP: Chapter 7
> To: markekohut at yahoo.com
> Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 5:26 PM
> In re James:  I thought that evidence had recently surfaced
> that he was more sexually active than had previously been
> thought.  I believe the record is clear that by his middle
> age he knew and accepted his own homosexuality. 
> 
> --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Mark Kohut
> <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: TMOP: Chapter 7
> To: "Richard Ryan"
> <richardryannyc at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 3:55 PM
> 
> Don't think Dostoevesky was as...unsexed.....as
> Nietzsche or James....
> 
> James was wilfully repressed, all seem to agree; Nietzsche
> was barely
> lucky enough to...(seemed to be in love with Lou Salome,
> and maybe she
> was back, without doing IT)....But
> 
> Dostoevsky was just of his poor, Christian, Russian society
> and its norms....
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 10/17/08, Richard Ryan
> <richardryannyc at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Richard Ryan <richardryannyc at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: TMOP: Chapter 7
> > To: markekohut at yahoo.com, "Bekah"
> <Bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>
> > Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 12:56 PM
> > Bekah's remark about the real word D's erotic
> > dabblings reminds me of the comment about Nietzsche:
> > "Never got laid but died of the clap."
> > 
> > Given their prevalence at the edges of 19th Century
> > bourgeois society - and in his work - one has to
> imagine
> > that Dostoevsky had at least a passing exposure to
> > prostitutes.   He has that familiar early modern
> quality _
> > one thinks of it in James as well - of being both very
> > sexual and very repressed (maybe sublimated is a
> better
> > word) simultaneously.
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Bekah
> <Bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >    Dostoevsky never had much of a sex life outside
> marriage
> >  
> > that I've ever heard of.
> > 
> > There were rumors (probably started by Turgenev) that
> > Dostoevsky had  
> > visited the child prostitutes around St. Petersburg
> but
> > nothing  
> > substantial was ever found.
> > 
> > Dostoevsky experienced and heard of some serious evil
> doing
> > as a  
> > child.   His father, who had a problem with
> womanizing, 
> > was brutally  
> > murdered.  A young neighbor friend was raped.   He
> heard
> > stories of  
> > this sort when he was in Siberia.
> > 
> > I think perhaps you could be right about Coetzee
> seeming to
> > suggest  
> > that D. dabbled in order to find out - as an
> authenticating
> > artistic  
> > experience.
> 
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