TMoP - Chapter Two - The cemetery

[Mark Kohut]

David Morris writes: "As the creator of his son's world, D is deeply guilty for abandoning
his son.  In a sense, D is his own son's oppressor and murderer, and
his guilt moves him to try to deny the reality of his death, and to
wish to conjure him back into the living world.  Orpheus is explicitly
referenced in the 2nd chapter."

Right on....most relevant right on observation to me.

Orpheus says his wife's name and D in TMoP reflects on the Name as reflecting the soul...

(I just mentioned fathers/sons in GR because it is there--and in my head. all you say might be relevant....we will come to see.)

You have sparked a memory with Freud mention....Dostoevsky is seen as a writer about the depth psycholgy of human beings......Freud said something about him (and Nietzsche?) being the two writers who had gone where he was now going--into the depths of the psyche...


--- On Fri, 9/26/08, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: TMoP - Chapter Two - The cemetery
> To: markekohut at yahoo.com
> Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 3:49 PM
> Good point, Mark.  You've sparked a thought:
> 
> Coetzee, a writer of genius himself, is at some level also
> his main
> character.  This is overtly the case in his _Diary of a Bad
> Year_.
> 
> Remember also that Coetzee is an ex-pat from South Africa
> and an
> immigrant to Australia.  He is finely attuned to the
> injustices of an
> Imperial force over a native populations, and the inherited
> guilt/shame/responsibility of all that have benefited from
> or
> acquiesced to those injustices.
> 
> As the creator of his son's world, D is deeply guilty
> for abandoning
> his son.  In a sense, D is his own son's oppressor and
> murderer, and
> his guilt moves him to try to deny the reality of his
> death, and to
> wish to conjure him back into the living world.  Orpheus is
> explicitly
> referenced in the 2nd chapter.
> 
> I've only just begun the book, so I don't know
> where to take this from
> here.  But if we are to relate this to GR, we should know
> that GR is
> DEEPLY rooted in Freud, and the Evil Father in GR goes back
> to Freud's
> Oedipus Complex.  In GR the son is primarily the victim of
> the father.
>  But Oedipus is the killer in the original tale.  The
> envious and
> murderous impulse to posses the object of desire flows both
> ways
> between Son and Father.  At a very basic level they are
> natural
> enemies.
> 
> David Morris
> 
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Mark Kohut
> <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > So, fictionally, a son of the narrating consciousness,
> a writer of genius, is dead....
> >
> > Sons.....they inherit, in general fictional metaphoric
> terms.....the world made by their fathers....
> >
> > Fathers and Sons....very famous recent Russian
> novel..about a "lost' son.   A marginal young man
> trying to find a place in a very narrow closed world?
> >
> > D's son found no place in Master of P.
> >
> > P.S. Remember TRP on fathers and sons in GR
> overtly?...in AtD, at length?