Pirates

[Paul Mackin]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph Tracy" <brook7 at sover.net>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:08 AM
Subject: Pirates


> From:   brook7 at sover.net
> Subject: Re: NP: You Are Being Lied To About Pirates
> Date: April 18, 2009 12:05:03 AM EDT
> To:   scuffling at gmail.com
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> What do you mean, you don't want another stupid revolution? Do you  mean 
> the one against the British, the ones against the kings of  Europe, the 
> failed attempt to secede from the US. The ones in  Nicaragua? Are you 
> actually calling the 60's revolution to end the  war in Vietnam , give 
> equal rights to all citizens including people  of color, Jews,  women , 
> gay etc., and restore constitutional  protection for political dissent, 
> stupid?  What was so stupid about  that?  Do you think the revolution in 
> academia was stupid to begin to  include everyone in the study  of history 
> and culture?

The bourgeois revolutions turned out fairly well considering they were only 
bourgeois.

The anti-bourgeois ones resulted in some improvements for the poor, but a 
new ruler and ruling class lodged themselves unmovably in place.  It was 
pleasant living in Cuba if you weren't political.

The 60s revolution was a not revolution but a number of protests that 
contributed some to social  progress..

P

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> The most seriously stupid revolution I recall was the Ray Gun  revolution 
> , and the return of the Robber Barons  ala Milton  Friedman; now that was 
> stupid  revolution.
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> History is full of
> On Apr 17, 2009, at 9:25 PM, Henry Musikar wrote:
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>> Laura, these aren't guys in rowboats somehow commandeering  commercial 
>> vessels.  These are well-funded assholes, terrorizing  sailors!  Sorry, 
>> but they aren't the underdogs; if you're prepared  to do wrong things, 
>> you have an unfair, cowardly, criminal  advantage over those that aren't. 
>> Not all criminals are deserving  of sympathy.  Doing something illegal 
>> isn't necessarily wrong, but  it sure as hell isn't necessarily right! 
>> There are bad "good-guys"  and good "bad-guys" on all sides, bad acts are 
>> bad unless proven  otherwise!
>>
>> Henry Musikar
>> Sr. IT Consultant
>> http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20/
>> http://tinyurl.com/342april09/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Laura Kelber
>>
>> This isn't about conflicting facts, it's about conflicting  perspectives. 
>> The US Navy versus some guys in rowboats from a  devastated colonial 
>> reject of a nation?  Yeah, I'll take the naive  commie-dupe side every 
>> time.  And no, of course I wouldn't want my  kids to be captured by 
>> Somali pirates.  I wouldn't want them  drafted by the US armed forces 
>> either.  More commie dupery on my  part.  Perhaps you think the US should 
>> blast those Somali  freebooters off the planet.  After all, they're doing 
>> something  (gasp) ILLEGAL.  While they're at it, maybe the US forces of 
>> good  (unprosecuted waterboarders and all) should raid the illegal pot 
>> plantations of Northern California. Brock Vond lives!
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: Henry Musikar <scuffling at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Apr 17, 2009 6:03 PM
>>> To: 'Pynchon Liste' <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>> Subject: RE: NP: You Are Being Lied To About Pirates
>>>
>>> NO thank you for this!  I could have made it all up myself, and it 
>>> would have been more reasonable/believable. Occam's razor,  anyone? 
>>> Plato's cave?  If it smells like shit, it ain't Shinola!
>>>
>>> If you don't believe (mainstream) news outlets, then why do you  believe 
>>> particular outliers?  Why is leftwing.com given a pass,  and 
>>> rightwing.com an automatic fail? This is where we need to ask  for more 
>>> information, and without reporting that is at least  internally 
>>> reasonable/logical, ask for more information!  I don't  want another 
>>> stupid revolution.
>>>
>>> Meat, the New Boss (same as the old boss)!
>>>
>>> Henry Mu
>>> Sr. IT Consultant
>>> http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20/
>>> http://tinyurl.com/342april09/
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Laura Kelber
>>> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:11 AM
>>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>>> Subject: Re: NP: You Are Being Lied To About Pirates
>>>
>>> Thanks for this.  I've read other articles suggesting that the  spoils 
>>> of piracy have enriched the coastal villages, as opposed to  Corporate 
>>> Banker-pirates who deposit their funds in personal bank  accounts.
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>> From: John Bailey
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>>>>
>>>> Fascinating article from the UK's Independent:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/ 
>>>> johann-hari-you-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates-1225817.html
>>>>
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