Pirates

[Joseph Tracy]

	From: 	  brook7 at sover.net
	Subject: 	Re: NP: You Are Being Lied To About Pirates
	Date: 	April 18, 2009 12:05:03 AM EDT
	To: 	  scuffling at gmail.com

Henry
I have heard several sources asserting the dumping of toxic and  
nuclear waste in Somali waters; these are accompanied by reports of  
sickness and death caused by the exposure of coastal Somalis. I have  
also heard several Somali and other sources describing illegal  
fishing in Somali waters seriously depleting lobster and shrimp  
supplies . They have been reported by people who have in recent years  
gotten things right when the Times and more conservative "news"  
sources had hired liars  as "journalists"and the MSM was giving voice  
to Generals funded by the Pentagon. You doubt the accuracy of the  
reports about Somalia, but what are your sources? Why are you  
credible? You have provided no research, only opinions.  Enough  with  
the  black and white cartoons. When people are pushed by criminal  
behavior they often respond in kind and often without hitting the  
deserving targets.  If toxic dumping  is part of the picture and  
other criminal behavior against Somalia, that puts some very  
important cards on the table, and a full accounting of  these things  
must be part of any attempt at justice.  Let him that is without sin  
cast the first stone.

What do you mean, you don't want another stupid revolution? Do you  
mean the one against the British, the ones against the kings of  
Europe, the failed attempt to secede from the US. The ones in  
Nicaragua? Are you actually calling the 60's revolution to end the  
war in Vietnam , give equal rights to all citizens including people  
of color, Jews,  women ,  gay etc., and restore constitutional  
protection for political dissent, stupid?  What was so stupid about  
that?  Do you think the revolution in academia was stupid to begin to  
include everyone in the study  of history and culture?

The most seriously stupid revolution I recall was the Ray Gun  
revolution , and the return of the Robber Barons  ala Milton  
Friedman; now that was stupid  revolution.





History is full of
On Apr 17, 2009, at 9:25 PM, Henry Musikar wrote:


> Laura, these aren't guys in rowboats somehow commandeering  
> commercial vessels.  These are well-funded assholes, terrorizing  
> sailors!  Sorry, but they aren't the underdogs; if you're prepared  
> to do wrong things, you have an unfair, cowardly, criminal  
> advantage over those that aren't.  Not all criminals are deserving  
> of sympathy.  Doing something illegal isn't necessarily wrong, but  
> it sure as hell isn't necessarily right! There are bad "good-guys"  
> and good "bad-guys" on all sides, bad acts are bad unless proven  
> otherwise!
>
> Henry Musikar
> Sr. IT Consultant
> http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20/
> http://tinyurl.com/342april09/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laura Kelber
>
> This isn't about conflicting facts, it's about conflicting  
> perspectives.  The US Navy versus some guys in rowboats from a  
> devastated colonial reject of a nation?  Yeah, I'll take the naive  
> commie-dupe side every time.  And no, of course I wouldn't want my  
> kids to be captured by Somali pirates.  I wouldn't want them  
> drafted by the US armed forces either.  More commie dupery on my  
> part.  Perhaps you think the US should blast those Somali  
> freebooters off the planet.  After all, they're doing something  
> (gasp) ILLEGAL.  While they're at it, maybe the US forces of good  
> (unprosecuted waterboarders and all) should raid the illegal pot  
> plantations of Northern California. Brock Vond lives!
>
> Laura
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Henry Musikar <scuffling at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Apr 17, 2009 6:03 PM
>> To: 'Pynchon Liste' <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Subject: RE: NP: You Are Being Lied To About Pirates
>>
>> NO thank you for this!  I could have made it all up myself, and it  
>> would have been more reasonable/believable. Occam's razor,  
>> anyone?  Plato's cave?  If it smells like shit, it ain't Shinola!
>>
>> If you don't believe (mainstream) news outlets, then why do you  
>> believe particular outliers?  Why is leftwing.com given a pass,  
>> and rightwing.com an automatic fail? This is where we need to ask  
>> for more information, and without reporting that is at least  
>> internally reasonable/logical, ask for more information!  I don't  
>> want another stupid revolution.
>>
>> Meat, the New Boss (same as the old boss)!
>>
>> Henry Mu
>> Sr. IT Consultant
>> http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20/
>> http://tinyurl.com/342april09/
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Laura Kelber
>> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:11 AM
>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>> Subject: Re: NP: You Are Being Lied To About Pirates
>>
>> Thanks for this.  I've read other articles suggesting that the  
>> spoils of piracy have enriched the coastal villages, as opposed to  
>> Corporate Banker-pirates who deposit their funds in personal bank  
>> accounts.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: John Bailey
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Fascinating article from the UK's Independent:
>>>
>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/ 
>>> johann-hari-you-are-being-lied-to-about-pirates-1225817.html
>>>