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[kelber at mindspring.com]

Rich, you've seen the movie and I've only read the screenplay so far.  I might well agree with you after seeing the movie.  The script didn't seem like just another dumb, Hollywood movie.  It seemed creative, original and entertaining.  The scenes where the Brad Pitt-played character, every bit the stereotype of a Jew-and-black-hating Southern redneck, turns his animosities on Nazis -- well, they struck me as kind of hilarious.  I also thought the guessing-game sequence was great.  How this appears on the screen is a different matter.  I'm happy there's anything I even want to see after the year-long onslaught of Hollywood-formula rom-coms, action pix, etc.

There's been a lot of talk about this being a "Jewish revenge fantasy."  Off hand, I don't think that's a bad thing.  Maybe I've had too many conversations with fellow Jews who screamingly invoke the Holocaust as a conversation-stopping justification for the real-life revenge the Israelis seem to be wreaking on the Palestinians.  Seeing revenge played out against the real culprits, if only on the screen, feels kind of cathartic.  I don't think the movie's meant to be a deep, thought-provoking movie about the Holocaust, at any rate, but I'm also sure that Tarantino (self-absorbed, pretentious smarm that he appears to be in interviews) is tone-deaf to the sensibilities his movie will offend.


Laura

 

-----Original Message-----
>From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>

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>nope. I wouldn't presume to know that about anyone. In a nutshell, I
>am just wondering why someone would make a movie about Jews acting
>like Nazis, copying, mirroring in fact acts of appalling
>brutality--carving of symbols in flesh, burning a group of people
>alive-things the Germans did all too often during the war. I wonder if
>those who suffered thru it w/ find these acts funny. (The
>Einsatzgruppen in Come and See are laughing and cheering, too amidst
>mass murder)
>Not to mention a movie where you almost feel sorry for the Nazis as
>victims--that's just so wrong.
>It goes beyond the actual movie itself or Tarantino (who is coming
>from the genre angle and hardly cares about the history) for that
>matter--just the American/Hollywood portrayal of something that can
>never really be portrayed faithfully (tho Come and See comes close)
>In summary, all I'm saying is to look upon IB as nothing more than
>porn (Eli Roth has said as much)
>I sure as heck didn't feel much uplift from watching people being
>burnt alive--QT may think of it as provocative; I think its pretty
>sad.
>
>maybe i'm thinking too much about one dumb hollywood film
>
>rich
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>On 8/21/09, kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>> Are you suggesting that my enjoying the Basterd's script means that I don't
>> take the Holocaust seriously?  I also enjoyed Stalag 17 and The Producers.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>
>>>
>>>all I ask Laura is watch Come and See if you haven't seen it; and see
>>>if that experience changes your view of Basterds
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_See
>>>
>>>rich
>>>
>>>On 8/21/09, kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> looking forward to your take on Inglourius Basterds.  Haven't seen it
>>>> yet,
>>>> but I read the script and thought it was great (and I'm no Tarantino
>>>> fan).
>>>>
>>>> LK
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com>
>>>>>Sent: Aug 20, 2009 6:14 PM
>>>>>To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>>>>Subject: IVIV (0)
>>>>>
>>>>>Today taken up with clinic appointment, lunch, new comics @ the shops,
>>>>>picking up mail, union meeting, art museum visit, friends' bands
>>>>>playing, Inglourious Basterds @ midnight, passing out on the bus, et
>>>>>al.,will be back tomorrow, then out of town for a wedding this weekend
>>>>>(no, not mine ...), then, hiopefully, IVIV (1).  Thnaks for yr
>>>>>patience!  Mingle, mingle ...
>>>>
>>>>
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