aw. RE: The Nobel Prize for War 2009 goes to ...

[alice wellintown]

I am a litttle surprized that readers of Pynchon would have invested
any faith in the Democrat Establishment. It's kinda silly to expect
that the Democrats will end the killing. These are not wars. They are
murder for money and power. We should not call them wars on anything
or anybody. The US is not at War or making War on a nation or an idea,
but merely killing lots of people ands wasting the world's resources
and compounding problems and conflicts. Talk. Negotiate. This was the
hope this president seemed to hold up; the Nobel people gave him a
push and he fell down. The real Nobel Hero here is Lula.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:19 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
<lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
>
> Obama obviously did inherit a very crappy situation. And, like David Morris
> said, the Republican alternative is scary. I also can see that the Obama
> administration's effort to create a public health system that deserves the
> name is not nothing. And as a sociologist I know that individual politicians
> do not run a national society. B-but is there really, like you say, such a
> broad popular support for the War? I read and hear different voices. And then:
> Do you --- does anybody here --- believe that the White House decision will,
> well, wipe out terrorism or something? Of course it won't yet breed new and
> more terrorism! The tenthousands and tenthousands of fathers, brothers and
> cousins of the Afghan/Pakistan people who will get killed in 2010/11 are the
> ideal recruitment pool for a second wave of dedicated Anti-US-Freedom-Fighters.
> But to finish this mail with something more optimistic and constructive:
>
> Do you see ways to shrink the US-population's support for the War?
>
> Kai
>
> PS: Yes, I know, capitalism with its war-profits plays a huge role in all this.
>
>
> Robert:
>
>>
>> I've been trying to figure out how to say what I want to say about
>> this since I saw Kai's post, and just now I saw a blog post that gets
>> at part of it:
>>
>> http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/12/a-center-right-nation.php
>>
>> I would like to think that if I were in Obama's shoes I would do
>> things differently, but I also hope that he is smarter, more
>> knowledgeable, and better advised than I am. He certainly inherited a
>> crappy situation. But the bigger point is the one Yglesias makes,
>> which is that this is a country where there is broad popular support
>> for aggressive foreign policy, and unless and until that changes there
>> is not that much that individual politicians can do about it.
>>
>> Just my two cents.
>>
>> On 12/2/09, kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
>>> We were actually relieved to find that my nephew's being deployed to the relative safety of Iraq - a country that actually had a centralized government at one time. Uh, wait a minute -- isn't "troop withdrawal from Iraq" one of Obama's great promised accomplishments, as exulted over in Slate and the DailyKos?
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: rich
>>>>Sent: Dec 2, 2009 11:41 AM
>>>>To: Kai Frederik Lorentzen
>>>>Cc: pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>>Subject: Re: The Nobel Prize for War 2009 goes to ...
>>>>
>>>>I got lost driving home last night in the really shitty part of
>>>>Newark, NJ--and I wondered all the waste overseas while place like
>>>>Newark rot in front of our eyes
>>>>
>>>>I think that whole support the troops nonsense is a unconcious defense
>>>>mechanism against the reality of: sorry your son or daughter died for
>>>>nothing
>>>>
>>>>shameful
>>>>
>>>>rich
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> .. Barack Obama!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm through with the guy.
>>>>>
>>>>> kfl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>