IVing IV 'indict a bean burrito', p. 277

[alice wellintown]

Mark Kohut wrote:
> I can only point to her response when Larry guesses that 'it is something shitty they won't do to you".......
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> Her "a practical idea might help" response seems to me to suggest she just wants a little help in saving herself from the shitty thing..........

Maybe. I don't reads it like that. She is never given a chance to tell
Larry what the situation is. She needs practical ideas, but we don't
know why. Larry fills in her thoughts for us here and he is a very
poor reader of minds (including his own), and a particularly poor
reader of female minds.

> And yet, the rest of the text is loaded with women who need protective men riffs.....Manson/'fucking Daddy', etc.....\

Yeah. protective men. Some protection. She don't need protection. She
needs to be able to look into a man's eyes on equal footing. Larry
can't handle that. He's too tall.

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> In further reflection we might see Penny's observation that IF fucking Manson IS like fucking Daddy, he is however so short that the women feel
> some kind of empowerment not just submission, physically and psychologically?

Yeah, that desire for equal footing, that eye to eye, person to
person, is still S&M in P's fictions. Even in the pink cells of
prisons where women make love, one has got to go down.


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> A bit of text about master-slave relationships, bad ones by definition, changing due to women's increasing societal 'freedom"??????
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> --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > From: Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: IVing IV 'indict a bean burrito', p. 277
> > To: "P-list" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 5:07 AM
> > alice wellintown  wrote:
> >
> > > finish her statements, and because he assumes the,
> > "I'll protect you
> > > position" here, I read it as Larry's misreading her
> > yet again.
> >
> > yeah, that wasn't how I was going to finish her sentence.
> > I can't remember how I was going to finish her
> > sentence...but that
> > wasn't it...hmmm
> >
> >
> > --
> > - "The doctor said give him jug band music; it seems to
> > make him feel
> > just fine!"
> >
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