NP: Ick

[David Morris]

OK. But anti-bees & new organs? Bad shit?  Not to mention pain-free meat?

You want to skate between the literal & symbolic.

Drugs do it better.


On Thursday, December 3, 2009, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> > His works are 'symbolic forms', as one critic's way of
>> phrasing would put it, saturated with satire to score (much
>> of) the modern world, aspects of the world, history,
>> America, kinds of foax. Their coherent symbolic 'truths' say
>> things about the world they are about---but seldom
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>> Right.  Metaphors and symbols.  Not meant to be
>> taken nor applied
>> literally.  So when you start to apply them literally
>> I know you can't
>> literally mean it.
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> No, the forms are symbolic. Metaphors work within those forms, not within prosaic, everyday, sometimes banal, understandings is what Kenneth Burke elucidated. The metaphors are like a poet's and present a perepective on the world.
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> For me,  Pynchon, like all great writers, speaks of the real world and embodies attitudes toward that world in those symbolic forms. If others think he does not, then they do.
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> You can and do disagree with many of my readings profoundly. So be it. But I DO MEAN it when I think I see and point to values in that work.
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> Touch, for example....there in GR, M & D, ATD and IV.......as one example.
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> Face-to-faceness, obviously a condition that can be violated by lying face to face, otherwise facing someone and hurting them---Vibe in AtD---but subtly done when his lovers will and won't look at each other.
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