Bernadine Dohrn

[rich]

Guns, like rockets KILL everywhere
in Pynchon's fiction. Killing is BAD.
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is it Weed who says you bring a gun, the state will bring a bigger gun?

Crypto-fascism wins in Vineland embodied most in Frenesi, likeable
as she also is. Part of OBA's achievement.
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in my damaged brain, I sometimes mash together frenesi in a miniskirt
with the all-female miniskirted, baton wielding police force (I think
headed by the villainess Minerva) in Gotham City on the old Batman
show. the hottest crime fighters and for this male love of that
authority and uniform--i see where she's coming from I suppose ;)

And the stoners get stoned in the old-fashioned sense by the
military-industrial complex which
is also the mob!
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and now mostly thanks to our stupid policy on marijuana, increasingly
controlled by the ultra-violence Mexican drug cartels. Recent NY Times
article this week discusses it without one word about
decriminalization which would put a major dent in cash flow for
traffickers--all that money were giving to the Mexican police and army
(hello, giving money to Mexican authorities to fight drugs --that's
pretty funny) to fight this "war"
I think this is one of sub-rosa themes among many in VL with the CAMP
folks, etc.

Rich

Rich


On 2/3/09, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Seconded in spades, no-trump.
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> Frenesi is self-condemned. We have read how earlier. For her, there is no
> excluded middle. She takes on the means of the
> fascists, not seeing a non-violent way..........therefore, she is fascist
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> .........................Guns, like rockets KILL everywhere
> in Pynchon's fiction. Killing is BAD.
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> Crypto-fascism wins in Vineland embodied most in Frenesi, likeable
> as she also is. Part of OBA's achievement.
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> And the stoners get stoned in the old-fashioned sense by the
> military-industrial complex which
> is also the mob!
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
> To: P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 3:49:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Bernadine Dohrn
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> well, I'm probably not going to win a lot of adherents, but for me...
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> when Frenesi takes up the gun, she begins working for the Man.  In
> this case, explicitly: the notion of Brock's like training wheels.
> But the general instance is plain enough.  When there's a gun in your
> camera bag, the doctrinaire elements (Rex) will use it to martyrize
> the attractive, charismatic elements (Weed) and the only winner is the
> military-industrial complex.  Even if you're a ninja (DL) your efforts
> will often enough hit the wrong target (Takeshi). Being that it's all
> a celebration of markets anyway, the only force in society with the
> requisite cynicism to thrive in and enjoy it is the Mob (Wayvone).
> Luckily the stoners among us (Zoyd) aren't paying attention, and they
> are able to retain a shred of decency to pass along to the next
> generation.
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