VLVL(12) pgs 261 -

[Michael Bailey]

Bekah wrote:

> What the film projects however,  is "her mother's real face."
>

something she's inflicted on others (the projection of their real faces)

> (pg 265)  Mirage built a computer data base to keep in touch with the old
> 24fps  group and other matters through astrology -  Pluto returning  - "as
> if repeatedly running into trouble at the 'frontier' negotiating with
> caretaker governments (?) that scarcely recognized him, Pluto had been
> shifting, direct to retrograde and back again, stuck within a few degrees of
> the cusp,  trying to get out of Libra...

- they are doing Ptolemaic, not sidereal (Krishna having wandered off
without apparently having a chance to turn them onto sidereal since
that is the style in India)

- Pluto in Libra a few astrological vagaries:
http://www.the11thcontinuum.com/pluto_and_the_418_cycle.htm

"Pluto’s transit through 418 started in 1971 when it entered Libra and
then in September 1972 it was established at 2 degrees of the sign.
Accordingly, humanity was judged in the 70’s, and spiritual
consciousness died in the 80’s, in Scorpio. It was said in 1984 that
God was dead. [?]... By February 2009 Pluto will be established in
Capricorn at 2 degrees."

> Vond is a Scorpio -

but do  we ever learn what is Frenesi's sign?

> (Iran-Contra scandal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair
> http://www.democracynow.org/2004/6/8/reagan_was_the_butcher_of_my
>

great link.

>
> And Prairie really doesn't understand why or how Frenesi could have done
> what she did,  but then  neither does anyone else.   Do we?

the great imponderables...

why is Brock like he is? next chapter...
why does she fall for him?
why can't she co-opt him instead of the other way around?
any famous instances of similar stuff in real life?
the spy lore of, like, The Spy who Came in from the Cold, or Harlot's
Ghost, suggests that it's fairly easy to turn people in general...

tryin' to think (but nothin' happens) of famous lady counterculturists
who were co-opted...
Jane Fonda married Ted Turner?  (saw her in Hill Auditorium in Ann
Arbor in 1974)
Angela Davis became a prof?
Patty Hearst?  Stockholm Syndrome in a general sense...

heck, tryin' ta think of famous lady counterculturists at all ... I
know there were lots...
Mother Jones?  Gloria Steinem?  (remember Time magazine reporting her
falling in love and saying she liked being dominated, can't remember
the year)
Emma Goldman?  Cokie Roberts?  Grace Slick?  Janis Joplin?

(but I might know more about women's viewpoints soon - serendipity,
got totally incontrovertibly hooked on Linda Perry singing What's Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXcQGsoDkDk a few days ago, and found a
feminist collection edited by a person with the same name,
http://tinyurl.com/cegkgk (link is to Amazon because I apparently
bought Powells last copy) which looks to be really good)

is there an intention of comparing Zoyd who only has a kind of
personal toughness with Frenesi - like the pedigreed leftist with the
Berkeley education and a cadre doesn't hold out against the
establishment?  but the forces brought to bear on her were a lot
stronger...

I skimmed some of the Molly Hite gender stuff, and feel she brings a
valuable perspective. My warp of that vision, is to see Frenesi as an
Everywoman who does start out with a unique and penetrating viewpoint
but is forced by Men in general to capitulate to their unfair thought
processes, Zoyd being in some ways capable of being just as much of a
dick (the scream-fests alluded to, eg) as Vond though lacking the
power to enforce it (although I still think the gender reversal of
Zoyd with his tears and housekeeping duties is also a motif), Weed
being unsuitable for a long term commitment because of being so
promiscuous as well as, eventually, dead...

another subtheme being the validity of long term commitment in general...
(where is it in the book about how what America calls love, the rest
of the world calls male adolescence?)  movements and unions and all
those good things being built on long term commitments...

but also oppressive gov'ts are built on long term commitments too -
steady paychecks, reliance on psychological quirks (propensities to S
and to M) - and the counterculture's use of short-term thrills to do
its share of co-optation (mentioned in next chap.) perhaps was like
using a nuclear option, since commitment is not in fact built on those
(or is it - maybe a little...?)

anyway, famous turnings of coat?  I will be pondering on this...
...
also, you [Bekah] wondered why there was an asterisk at the top of one
page denoting a section break - maybe a very special section break?
I can't shed any light on that, but it does remind of an Isaac Asimov
joke, about Nathan Hale's last words being, "I regret that I have only
one * for my country"

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lastly, found a typo somewhere in the section you just covered. BFD.

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