(np) Croatia today

[Carvill John]

Well, I am not trying to devalue your two cents.
 
But the following two statements do not exactly mesh:
 
 
> The Ottomans that stayed after the fall of their empire became
> the Bosnian Muslims of today
 
 
> the Bosnian Muslims of today are
> the direct result of Ottoman conquest hundreds of years ago.
 
The second statement is more accurate.
 
Ask your Bosnian friends whether they feel their hands are 'clean' enough to feel justified in condemming Serb war crimes?
 
> there is more history to the conflict than was being
> discussed. 
 
This is completely wrong. Every region, particularly in Europe, has a long history. Doesn't in any way mitigate atrocities committed in the present. Has no relevance. Only reason to mention it is to make apologies.
 


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> From: kevindunn27 at gmail.com
> To: johncarvill at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: (np) Croatia today
> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:02:59 -0400
>
> Actually, I never intended to justify anyone's actions. I was simply
> pointing out there is more history to the conflict than was being
> discussed. As far as I understand, the Bosnian Muslims of today are
> the direct result of Ottoman conquest hundreds of years ago. Local
> prominent Slavs converted to Islam during occupation and participated
> in the government (obstensively becoming Ottoman in culture and
> politics) and their descendants are the Bosniaks of today. There were
> Ottomans who intermarried and stayed behind after the territory fell
> under Austro-Hungarian rule, in addition. If this all is untrue (which
> would mean my class on the history and literature of the area, as well
> as my Bosnian and Montenegren friends (who are Muslim), were wrong),
> then where did the Bosnian Muslims come from?
>
> My mistake for putting in my two cents. Shoulda left it alone...
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 22, 2009, at 2:26 PM, Carvill John 
> wrote:
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>>> That's your opinion, but I'll cite Ivo Andric's "Bridge on the Drina"
>>> as evidence. While it is fiction, it does detail the history of the
>>> region correctly and informs the history of the recent conflict in
>>> the
>>> Balkans.
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>> It isn't my 'opinion'. Your statement:
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>>>> The Ottomans that stayed after the fall of their empire became
>>>> the Bosnian Muslims of today
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>> ..is not actually true. BUt even if it were, the next bit is far
>> worse:
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>>>> so it seems no one's ancestry has clean hands.
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>> If you apply that logic, whose hands are clean? Ottoman empore?
>> Crusading Christians? Spanish Inquisitionists? WHo?
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>> Does that mean that Sept 11th was ok, since 'Christians' have been
>> responsible for all manner of ill deeds? Just doesn;t stack up. You
>> can't use history from hundreds of years ago to justify modern day
>> atrocities.
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