Chomsky/Hitchens/Milosevic/Bush

Michael Bailey michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com
Mon Mar 23 06:26:43 CDT 2009


John wrote:
> Deep, deep sigh.
>
> << I also respond much better to patient explication than to, um, some
> other styles of discourse >>
>
> But I tried that, and you wouldn't listen, mate. I don't think I have
> ben over the top or wildly aggressive.

Really?  I read your posts and modified my follow ups in response.  I
still do not offer personal abuse or comments about your vision, sense
or intelligence, nor will I.  Can you say the same?

>But bear in mind also that I have
> been holding myself back, quelling my anger.
>

I pray you never unleash it fully

> Can you not understand how exasperating it is to have people like you
> waving your ignorance around when we are talking here about genocide?
>

No.  Good teaching opportunity, I would think.

> There are always complex issues involved in situations like this, but
> one overriding hard fact stands out and must be acknowledged above all
> else: the Serbs were the aggressors, they committed genocide, they still
> refuse (to a worryingly large extent) to admit it, and your ignorance is
> making that situation worse.
>

how so?  I don't recall giving aid and comfort to any genocide
deniers.  If there are any genocide deniers on this list, I say to
them: genocide-deniers, you suck!

> << so I will be pursuing information that is couched in those terms, on
> my own. >>
>
> Fine. Please don't go posting every article from every pro-Serb fanatic
> website here, ta.

gladly.  I already stopped, did you notice?

>
> << Ustashe in WWII was real.  That is still not that long ago. >>
>
> So what? In what way does that justify killing Bosnians? Or Croats? Or
> anyone?
>

did I say it did?
But if this is the sort of smokescreen erected to justify Serbian
aggression, "patient explication" of why it doesn't apply to
present-day situations would cut a lot more ice with me than calling
me an idiot.
Also, if genocide itself is what bothers you then "so what" is a
strange response to something that was definitely genocide and pretty
well documented by Wiesenthal et al

> << Milosevic (well, really Radovan Karadjic undisputably, and definitely
> that butcher guy, right? But Milosevic had lip service to multi-culti
> and a long provenance as a communist...so I've got neutral sites with
> counter-notions to SM being the prime mover >>
>
> You have a long way to go if you truly wish to 'understad' any of this.
> Milosevic was a Fascist, and he had full responsibility for what
> karadjic was doing inside Bosnia. The Bosnian Serbs needed, and had, at
> all times, the full support of Serbia and the Yugoslavian army, one of
> the biggest and most well-armed military forces in the world.
>

thank you for that elucidation, I will follow up on that fact.

>
> << actually Ayn Rand is on record with similar views
> Amazingly, lots of people take her seriously. >>
>
> Not really so amazing, given some of the rubbish you are apparently
> willing to swallow.
>

did I say I was swallowing any of the stuff I posted?  I wanted a
response, and got one.  Not complaining.  Just sayin' -

>
> << Why not open your borders and invite all your Serb homies back home?
>>>
>
> Even as a 'joke', this is despicably idiotic.
>

already covered this.  your snippage deletes the context of my "joke"
not complainin' just sayin' - I fuckn agree with you John on every
significant thing you said but I don't appreciate the abuse

> Please don't bother 'learning' any more about this issue. Go do
> something else.
>

I do have other things to do, as do you.  However, I've become
interested in the peoples and cultures of Eastern Europe and I don't
recall paying you to guide my leisure reading.

> And don't send me any more off-list emails either.
>

ok, sorry to hear that.  So anything but instant acquiescence to your
ideas is cause for personal rejection?  Hope you'll reconsider.

> You make me angry. You make me sick. You make me sad.
>

I'm sorry to read that.  That is never my intention and never will be.
>
>
>

Peace out.

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