Vond /charm

[Mark Kohut]

Jung below combined with Pynchon's very words on charisma---
he distrusts it and thinks we human beings should "not follow leaders,
and watch the parking meters"---B. dylan---is very pertinent.

Frenesi is taken with Vond...she does not know herself--her past, that part
of human beings connected to all of humanity through their children, I 
suggest.

 


----- Original Message ----
From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
To: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>
Cc: pynchon-l at waste.org
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:40:32 PM
Subject: Re: Hitchens/ Rush/ Milosevic/Adolph/ Bush/ Vond ?charm?

I'd like to point toward Jung's discussion of "The Phenomenology of
Spirit in Fairytales" in The Archetypes and the Collective
Unconscious.  One thing he mentions is failure of self-knowledge in
the individual that makes her (or him) particularly susceptible to the
seduction of participation in the impetus of mass movements.  It is a
very readable essay and I think it is especially pertinent here and to
OBA's work in general.

-i

On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> I wonder if we could turn this conversation for a round or 2  anyway to
> Sasha's premise about the charm of fascists.
>
> This is kind of awful but do those of us who despise fascism miss something
> about the phenomena by focusing on the monstrous violence  of the fascist
> and the question of what is the proper military or geopolitical response and
> missing the twinkle in his eye  earlier in his career that makes his success
> possible.
>
> Is there a cultural response that  can heal  this  communicable disease at
> the pre-pubescent  ambitious charm stage?
>