aw. RE: lagan or ligan/: Carl Schmitt: Land vs. Sea

[Kai Frederik Lorentzen]

Myself I'm 'left-schmittesque', you know, just like Giorgio Agamben or -
for that matter - Chantal Mouffe. Please don't mistake me for a racist or
something! (Thanks, that's nice!). For an American overview on Carl Schmitt
that is fair and inspired plus not too far away from questions Pynchon's 
novels are asking do see: "Uses and abuses of Carl Schmitt" by Paul Piccone
and Garry Ulmen. Since TELOS by now wants money for it, I took it from 
another place and ask you kindly to close the google ads immediately!
 
http://foster.20megsfree.com/443.htm
 
Kai 

----------------------------------------
> From: lorentzen at hotmail.de
> To: markekohut at yahoo.com; pynchon-l at waste.org; rpmahnke at gmail.com
> Subject: RE: lagan or ligan/: Carl Schmitt: Land vs. Sea
> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:00:29 +0200
>
>
> Mark Kohut schrieb:
>
>>
>> Maritime law, mentioned in IV, is perhaps the oldest, most convoluted, most deeply intertwined with the past, since the oceans were
>> there before
>> the lands were 'nationalized', so to speak.
>>
>> So, lawyers and paralegal friends have told me...
>>
>
> Now, in terms of the continental law tradition, 'maritime law' was, after the 'discovery' of the New World, kinda problem:
>
> Land vs. Sea!
>
> Do perhaps check out the third chapter ("Freedom of the Sea") in the third part of "The Nomos of the Earth"
> (Telos Press) by in/famous CS:
>
> http://books.google.de/books?id=Qayg5HqaY18C&dq=The+Nomos+of+the+Earth+%26+Carl+Schmitt&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=kB8KLDL8Xn&sig=XDtR1OQnovOtHITpclZ4wlXllL8&hl=de&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPP1,M1
>
> (Yes, the man did really racist things --- kicking Jews out of the German lawsphere --- between 1933 and 1936, was for parts
> of his lifetime a clinical paranoid, and is nevertheless a brilliant law-theorist and political philosopher; if you're
> interested in 'Pynchon and International Law' or somesuch you will, also re: GR's Air-Terror, find many gems in "The Nomos of
> the Earth"; for a Jewish interpretation of Schmitt's Politische Theologie see "ad Carl Schmitt", Merve-Verlag: Berlin, by Jacob Taubes;
> and then there's one American book we sometimes discuss here Schmitt did in fact know very well, it's "The Education of Henry Adams")
>
> "Das MEER bleibt außerhalb jeder spezifisch staatlichen Raumordnung. (...) So ist die im 16. Jahrhundert entstandene
> europa-zentrische Weltordnung nach Land und See in ZWEI verschiedene globale Ordnungen auseinandergetreten. Zum ersten Mal
> in der Geschichte der Menschheit wird der Gegensatz von LAND und MEER die weltumfassende Grundlage eines globalen Völkerrechts.
> Jetzt handelt es sich nicht mehr um Meeresbecken wie das Mittelmeer, die Adria oder die Ostsee, sondern um den ganzen
> geographisch vermessenen [Hallo: 'M&D'!] Erdball und die Weltozeane. Dieser völlig neue Gegensatz von Land und Meer bestimmt
> das Gesamtbild eines jus publicum Europaeum, das einer von Europa aus entdeckten, wissenschaftlich-geographischen erkannten Erde
> ihren Nomos zu geben suchte. Hier stehen sich demnach zwei universale und globale Ordnungen gegenüber, die nicht auf das Verhältnis
> von universalem und partikulärem Recht gebracht werden können [!!]. Jede von ihnen ist universal. Jede hat ihre eigenen Begriffe
> von Feind, Krieg und Beute, aber auch von Freiheit [!]. Die große völkerrechtliche Gesamtentscheidung des 16. und 17. Jahrhunderts
> gipfelte also in einem Gleichgewicht von Land und Meer, in dem GEGENÜBER zweier Ordnungen, die erst in ihrem spannungsvollen
> Miteinander den Nomos der Erde bestimmten. (...) Das große Gleichgewicht von Land und Meer bewirkte ein Gleichgewicht der
> kontinentalen Staaten untereinander, verhinderte aber gleichzeitig ein maritimes Gleichgewicht der Seemächte untereinander.
> Insofern gab es ein kontinentales, aber kein maritimes Gleichgewicht."
> (Carl Schmitt: Der Nomos der Erde im Völkerrecht des Jus Publicum Europaeum [1950]. Berlin 1997: Duncker & Humblot, pp. 143-5.)
>
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt
>
> Just for the record? Oh well ... there are still some things that could be said re: Pynchon/Jackson (Robert H., grandfather of Melanie)/Schmitt ... In Nürnberg, Mr. Jackson became --- at least you can read this here and there --- kinda fascinated by CS;
> fact is: Carl Schmitt got not, as Jackson had originally planed, filed a charge against him yet was upgraded to the status of
> an expert-witness. Strange story (true!), my story, her story, your story, history ... not bunk ...
>
> KFL
>
>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Robert Mahnke wrote:
>>
>>> From: Robert Mahnke
>>> Subject: lagan or ligan
>>> To: "P-list"
>>> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 10:10 AM
>>> It even took several centuries before
>>> the law could make up its mind
>>> about exactly what constituted wreck. The legal
>>> historian Lord Coke,
>>> writing in 1817, defined it thus:
>>>
>>> "Flotsam is when a ship is sunk or otherwise perished, and
>>> the goods
>>> float upon the sea. Jetsam is when the ship is in
>>> danger of being
>>> sunk and, to lighten the ship, the goods are cast into the
>>> sea, and
>>> afterwards notwithstanding the ship perish. Lagan or
>>> ligan is when
>>> the goods are so cast into the sea, and afterwards the ship
>>> perishes,
>>> and the goods are so heavy that they sink to the bottom;
>>> and the
>>> mariners to the intent to have them again, tie to them a
>>> buoy, or
>>> cork, or such other thing that will not sink, so that
>>> they may find
>>> them again."
>>>
>>> Bella Bathurst, The Wreckers 9-10 (Houghton Mifflin,
>>> 2005).
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>