Re: IVIV (15) 273—7000 Romaine, Los Angeles 38

[Mark Kohut]

It seems to me, as we sorta discovered with the C of L49 reread that, if any kind of strict allegorical conspiracy theories are not justified, the atmospherics of political/wealth/military interlockingings--that great GR word and theme---pervades IV in ways more skewed than "reality".....and that TRP points, in his associative way, at them. 

E.G. 'The mob behind the mob"...some possible meanings--and comnections-- of The Golden Fang...It seems more than plausible to me that TRP penned this associateve autobigraphical novel as a kind of extended footnote to the writing of GR......

Roger Simon's doper noir mystery did not associate like Pynchon's, I daresay. 

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: alice wellintown <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: IVIV (15) 273—7000 Romaine, Los Angeles 38
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 2:19 PM
> If you could construct a reading from
> IV that would be another matter,
> but you are now slapping together several huge conspiracy
> theories and
> dozens of conspiracy texts to make your reading
> intelligable. That's
> projecting a reader-response world onto the text. The fact
> that the
> event threads that you are stitching together 
> happened in California
> and Washington and Nevada at around the time that, either
> the author
> lived close by or one of the conspiracy figures did, and so
> on,  is
> not anyhting explicit. If it is implicit, you have not
> argued that
> convincingly. Not to me or those who find reader-response
> political
> conspiracy readings of Pynchon a poor approach, but to
> anyone who has
> a bit of critical rigor.  I suspect you are not
> convinced of your own
> strong misreading and that is why you are so keen to
> silence my
> critique of it; that might slit this thin spun thread and
> allow the
> fates to unwind a muted posthorn.
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/11/22 Robin Landseadel <robinlandseadel at comcast.net>:
> > I've got a swell idea—you stick to looking for
> Inherent Vice's connections
> > with "The Great American Literary Tradition" and I'll
> stick to looking for
> > connections to the time and place where the book is
> set. There's always
> > political content in Pynchon's books that is relevant
> to both the specific
> > time and place where the novels are set and also to
> the time when the novel
> > is published. Every time anyone comes up with
> political threads in Pynchon
> > that connect to modern day spying, clandestine
> operations and the political
> > food chain as it now stands, you respond like you just
> did. I have no clue
> > as to what you motive is, but you started out by
> calling the book "crap" and
> > you haven't let up since. The threads pointing to
> Howard Hughes are
> > explicitly stated in Inherent Vice. The directions
> you're attempting to lead
> > us aren't.
>