IVIV parody?

[Bekah]

I hate to say this but Manson was widely accepted in the hippie  
culture of 1967 San Francisco.   Imo,  he was a nutter and this became  
apparent later.   But at the time,  SF in 1967,  some very, very  
strange people were floating around the Bay Area -  Manson had a lot  
of charisma and a few talents which made him very attractive to some  
of the lonelier SF drifters of the times and he gathered a following.   
Manson was part of a very scary criminal element that moved in on the  
peace, freedom, love,  sex, drugs and rock 'n roll party the Bay Area  
was having.


 From -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson
On his release day, (March,  1967)  Manson requested and was granted  
permission to move to San Francisco, where, with the help of a prison  
acquaintance, he moved into an apartment in Berkeley. In prison, bank  
robber Alvin Karpis taught him to play steel guitar;[12][13][15] now,  
living mostly by panhandling, he soon got to know Mary Brunner, a 23- 
year-old University of Wisconsin–Madison graduate working as an  
assistant librarian at UC Berkeley.     After moving in with her,  
according to a second-hand account, he overcame her resistance to his  
bringing other women in to live with them; before long, they were  
sharing Brunner's residence with 18 other women.[16]

Manson established himself as a guru in San Francisco's Haight- 
Ashbury, which, during 1967's "Summer of Love", was emerging as the  
signature hippie locale. Expounding a philosophy that included some of  
the Scientology he had studied in prison,[17] he soon had his first  
group of young followers, most of them female.[13]Upon a staff  
evaluation of Manson when he entered prison in July 1961 at the U.S.  
penitentiary in McNeil Island, Washington, Manson entered  
"Scientologist" as his religion.[18]

Before the summer was out, Manson and eight or nine of his enthusiasts  
piled into an old school bus they had re-wrought in hippie style, with  
colored rugs and pillows in place of the many seats they had removed.  
They roamed as far north as Washington State, then southward through  
Los Angeles, Mexico, and the southwest. Returning to the Los Angeles  
area, they lived in Topanga Canyon, Malibu, and Venice—western parts  
of the city and county.[16]

In an alternative account, which does not mention the 18 women at  
Brunner’s residence, Manson, apparently accompanied by Brunner,  
acquired Family members during some months of travels that were  
undertaken, in part, in a Volkswagen van; it was November when the  
school bus set out from San Francisco with the enlarged group.[19]


See also:   http://www.carpenoctem.tv/killers/manson.html

Bekah



On Oct 24, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Henry Musikar wrote:

> I didn't, but most people thought Manson was a hippie. Did he describe
> himself as one?  Would that matter in any significant way?  Does he  
> fit the
> dictionary definition, and do we care about dictionary definition,  
> as they
> are written by THEM?
>
> Henry Mu
> Sr. IT Consultant
> http://astore.amazon.com/tdcoccamsaxe-20/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Woollams
>
> Isn't part of the inherent vice the melting of these social roles?  
> Doc plays
> both "good guy" and "bad guy" because he's a human being. I think  
> part of IV
> is Pynchon's toying with our perspectives. We no longer know who is  
> good or
> bad, the world isn't black and white. Instead everything has blended
> together and we're left in a stoner state of confusion. Are we high?  
> No,
> we're just over-stimulated.
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Henry Mu
>
> If Doc is any less than wholly genuine, it begs the question "who is?"
> Doc's internal dialogue/narration is as pure hippy/stoner as The  
> Dude's, and
> don't forget Lebowski's willingness to do a little work for the man.
> Slothrop was in the Army, for gooness sake, and M&D were cutting up  
> the
> earth itself for aristocrats.  That Doc is not a crazed idealist  
> only makes
> him more real/genuine and less of a symbol for some ideal that  
> Pynchon has
> repeatedly illustrated as (usually)  delusional and unrealistic, and  
> one
> extremity of which was Charles Manson, the most famous hippie  
> ideologue of
> all.
>
> Henry Mu
>
>
>
>

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