IVIV (11) 167

[alice wellintown]

Yeah, P likes to flout/flaunt the usage glossary of confusing pairs
and other vulgar non-standard standards. Readers who favor the OED
over the AHD will find that P adds to the former while making liberal
use of the later/latter. A couple-few times reading his dialogues I
was wondering where he got some of them usages at. "At" is
non-standard usage, but what one hears on the subway cell-phone
chatter and what one reads at twitterSLASHfacebook &etc ;----)

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Page <page at quesnelbc.com> wrote:
> Isn't "beside the point," as "next to the point," an idiomatic expression?
> It is not a metaphor, moribund or otherwise. And, in most cases, it
> certainly isn't literally true.
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bekah" <bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "alice wellintown" <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
> Cc: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:19 AM
> Subject: Re: IVIV (11) 167
>
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>> As far as I know,  Californians say  "beside the point"  which could
>> mean either next to the point,  or other than the point.
>>
>> Just my o,  living here and all,  the word beside seems to mean next
>> to while besides seems to mean other than.   "The pen is beside the
>> book."
>>
>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/besides
>>
>> Main Entry: 1be·sides
>> Pronunciation: \bi-ˈsīdz, bē-\
>> Function: preposition
>> Date: 14th century
>> 1 : other than, except <no one besides us>
>> 2 : together with <a decision that, besides being practical, is
>> morally right>
>>
>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beside
>>
>> Main Entry: 1be·side
>> Pronunciation: \bi-ˈsīd, bē-\
>> Function: preposition
>> Etymology: Middle English, adverb & preposition, from Old English be
>> sīdan at or to the side, frombe at (from bī) + sīdan, dative &
>> accusative of sīde side — more at by
>> Date: 13th century
>> 1 a : by the side of <walk beside me> b : in comparison with c : on a
>> par with
>> 2 : besides
>> 3 : not relevant to <beside the point>
>> — beside oneself : in a state of extreme excitement
>>
>>
>> Bekah
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2009, at 6:38 AM, alice wellintown wrote:
>>
>>> Pynchon sez, "Besides the point." Not sure what Californians say, but
>>> Lawn Guy Landers like P say, "Besides the point."
>>
>> http://web.mac.com/bekker2/
>>
>>
>>
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