IVIV (11) 167

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Where's your head at?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "alice wellintown" <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
To: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: IVIV (11) 167


> Yeah, P likes to flout/flaunt the usage glossary of confusing pairs
> and other vulgar non-standard standards. Readers who favor the OED
> over the AHD will find that P adds to the former while making liberal
> use of the later/latter. A couple-few times reading his dialogues I
> was wondering where he got some of them usages at. "At" is
> non-standard usage, but what one hears on the subway cell-phone
> chatter and what one reads at twitterSLASHfacebook &etc ;----)
>
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Page <page at quesnelbc.com> wrote:
>> Isn't "beside the point," as "next to the point," an idiomatic 
>> expression?
>> It is not a metaphor, moribund or otherwise. And, in most cases, it
>> certainly isn't literally true.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bekah" <bekah0176 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "alice wellintown" <alicewellintown at gmail.com>
>> Cc: <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: IVIV (11) 167
>>
>>
>>> As far as I know, Californians say "beside the point" which could
>>> mean either next to the point, or other than the point.
>>>
>>> Just my o, living here and all, the word beside seems to mean next
>>> to while besides seems to mean other than. "The pen is beside the
>>> book."
>>>
>>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/besides
>>>
>>> Main Entry: 1be·sides
>>> Pronunciation: \bi-ˈsīdz, bē-\
>>> Function: preposition
>>> Date: 14th century
>>> 1 : other than, except <no one besides us>
>>> 2 : together with <a decision that, besides being practical, is
>>> morally right>
>>>
>>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beside
>>>
>>> Main Entry: 1be·side
>>> Pronunciation: \bi-ˈsīd, bē-\
>>> Function: preposition
>>> Etymology: Middle English, adverb & preposition, from Old English be
>>> sīdan at or to the side, frombe at (from bī) + sīdan, dative &
>>> accusative of sīde side — more at by
>>> Date: 13th century
>>> 1 a : by the side of <walk beside me> b : in comparison with c : on a
>>> par with
>>> 2 : besides
>>> 3 : not relevant to <beside the point>
>>> — beside oneself : in a state of extreme excitement
>>>
>>>
>>> Bekah
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2009, at 6:38 AM, alice wellintown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pynchon sez, "Besides the point." Not sure what Californians say, but
>>>> Lawn Guy Landers like P say, "Besides the point."
>>>
>>> http://web.mac.com/bekker2/
>>>
>>>
>>>
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