Nazi Jews [caution: spoilers]

[rich]

On 9/17/09, Clément Lévy <clemlevy at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am not so sure that the Basterds have something nazi in their
> methods of warfare: they leave survivors; the scars they print in
> their foreheads are not a way to identify their future victims (as
> was the yellow star)  but a mark of shame; they sacrifice themselves
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thinking of rabbis getting the star of david scar-ed on their bodies
but I see yr point

> The comparison with the Einsatzgruppen scene in Come and See (Klimov)
> didn't strike me as very pertinent. They lock people in a barn and
> burn everybody, but it is not a nazi kind of crime. Wasn't there
> something similar in the Calcutta Black Hole incident (to get back to
> something more related to Pynchon)? Neither Hutus nor Tutsis were
> called nazis after the Rwanda genocide. This kind of cruelty might be
> universal.
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one thing about Come & See is that the townspeople murdered by the
Germans are not necessarily Jews but victims of the viscious partisan
war in Byelrussia. Yes, cruelty is universal sadly but since we are
talking about WW2 it was hard for me not to think of Come and See (as
the movie says what is depicted in the movie happened
hundreds/thousands of times) and others like"
similar documented instances of SS atrocities like Oradour sur Glane
in France in1944, e.g.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane

All the women and children were then taken to and locked in the church
while the village itself was looted. Meanwhile, the men were led to
six barns and sheds where machine-gun nests were already in place.
According to the account of a survivor, the soldiers began shooting at
them, aiming for their legs so that they would die more slowly. Once
the victims were no longer able to move, the soldiers covered their
bodies with fuel and set the barns on fire. Only five men escaped; 190
men died.

The soldiers then proceeded to the church and put an incendiary device
in place there. After it was ignited, women and children tried to flee
from the doors and windows of the church but were met with machine-gun
fire. Two hundred forty-seven women and two hundred and five children
died in the carnage. Only one woman survived, 47-year-old local
housewife Marguerite Rouffanche. She had managed to slide out of a
small window at the back of the church and hid in the bushes overnight
until the Germans had moved on. Another small group of about twenty
villagers had fled Oradour-sur-Glane as soon as the soldiers had
appeared. That night, the remainder of the village was razed.

rich
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