V-2nd, C 5 "The Alligator was Pinto"

[Joseph Tracy]

I suppose it is completely over the top, which I had to admit I found  
laugh out loud funny. On the other hand, no matter how heavy handed  
any satirist has ever been  a goodly number of very real assholes  
have risen to the challenge and outdone them.
On Aug 17, 2010, at 8:38 AM, alice wellintown wrote:

> There is also something heavy handed about the chapter; a priest
> eating and sodomizing his flock of rats who are neek saints enticed by
> and threatened by Jesus-Marxism. The dying animal motif fails and P's
> hobo and priest here are too cartoonish to carry that weight.  Could
> never pick up the vietnam echoes, read this chapter as another couple
> set pieces slapped together and wedged into the Adams themes. The
> shift to the depression and back to labor politics for hobo worker is
> too abrubt and thin. Dylan does it cleaner with a 3 minute song.
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>  
> wrote:
>> Agree, one of the best English poems ever written, reminiscent of  
>> the best
>> Celtic nature poems. By contrast there is something immensely sad  
>> about this
>> tired pinto gator, blood all too predictably spilt  formless into  
>> the sewage
>> and the dark void.
>>
>> I wonder if there is an intentional connection to the resistance  
>> of Ignatius
>> and the avid sacrificial compliance of Veronica and these seemingly
>> conflicted aspects of the alligator. Also is Pynchon working with and
>> twisting archetypal christian images of sacrifice, innocence and  
>> redemption?
>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:08 PM, alice wellintown wrote:
>>
>>> Pinto, to a Porto Rican circa 1960 means dick, as in moby. Also  
>>> pied.
>>>
>>> One of the most beautiful poems in the language is GMH's "Pied  
>>> Beauty"
>>>
>>> But P's coco dee yo is not sublime or mysterious or anything Rikean.
>>>
>>> Gerard Manley Hopkins (1844–89).
>>>
>>> Pied Beauty
>>>
>>>
>>> GLORY be to God for dappled things—
>>>  For skies of couple-colour as a brinded cow;
>>>    For rose-moles all in stipple upon trout that swim;
>>> Fresh-firecoal chestnut-falls; finches’ wings;
>>>  Landscape plotted and pieced—fold, fallow, and plough;         5
>>>    And áll trádes, their gear and tackle and trim.
>>>
>>> All things counter, original, spare, strange;
>>>  Whatever is fickle, freckled (who knows how?)
>>>    With swift, slow; sweet, sour; adazzle, dim;
>>> He fathers-forth whose beauty is past change:         10
>>>                  Praise him.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mark Kohut  
>>> <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Josepth Tracy wrote:
>>>> "The alligator was Pinto"
>>>>
>>>> I once had a job where a perk was membership in a workout club.  
>>>> While
>>>> there I
>>>> met a man who was un-mixed race. Black and white parents , but  
>>>> he was
>>>> pinto, all
>>>> over. Could such a one be president? What do you call such. He was
>>>> handsome and
>>>> had a remarkable sense of humor.
>>>>
>>>> wow, what a question. A: No...
>>>>
>>>> Misc. In As You Like It, the deer in the Arden forest are  
>>>> described as
>>>> "poor
>>>> dappled fools"....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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