P defends V. ...

[Michael Bailey]

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:10 PM, alice wellintown
<alicewellintown at gmail.com> wrote:

> As far as class goes, I've no idea what your talking about. As far as
> knowledge of literature, you can't even get into one of mine. You need
> quite a few pre-recs before you can even apply.
>

is that not just a little disingenuous?
When you get into explicating Vineland as about work, for instance.
Is it possible to talk about the problems associated with work without
considering the notion of "Class"?

I think class is an important consideration in reading.  I'm by no
means a Marxist (more of a Proudhonist, if anything - at least when
his social experiment failed, it didn't involve gulags and
thoughtcrime and massacres, oh my, gruesome deaths for hundreds of
millions of people like ol' frickin' Marx, a-and some of Proudhon's
ideas DID and DO work, co-ops, that is), (or maybe a Prudhommist,
http://www.chefpaul.com/site.php)

...but it's simply not as rich an experience to read, well, anything,
without some of the critical insights that class-consciousness
provides, is it?

You take the Preamble to the Constitution of the IWW, for instance:
"the working classes and the employing classes have nothing in
common."

How true is this in any given situation?  _Vineland_ , while rich with
IWW references, humanizes the situation to the extent of showing,
maybe, what other considerations there are to, umm, consider...

So don't be too Coy to admit class to the class of all classes
classifying Vineland...eh, wot?


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