anyone see a Mason & Dixon resonance here?

[Heikki Raudaskoski]

I just meant that "homosocial" is a more apt term than "homoerotic" to
describe the numerous male couples in Am Lit. I don't want to stick to
currently fashionable neologisms for their own sake. "Male bonding" is
every bit as apt, as could be some other term. I'm open to suggestions.

We may have the same point: that Freudianism has made those buddy
tales unnecessarily erotic.

But still, male bonding is relatively frequent in Am Lit, repressively
erotic (as Fiedler thinks) or not (as we think). Or is this a matter
of dispute too?


Heikki

On Fri, 5 Feb 2010, Ian Livingston wrote:

> What if women are admitted to have similarly powerful bonds of
> friendship? And then if men and women can be friends? Need we yet more
> neologisms for those relationships that we can already speak of
> successfully?
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:20 AM, Heikki Raudaskoski
> <hraudask at sun3.oulu.fi> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe "homosocial" is a more apt word?
> >
> > On Thu, 4 Feb 2010, Ian Livingston wrote:
> >
> >> Altogether likely. I never read Fiedler. I still disagree with the
> >> assertion that so many friendships are chalked up to repressed
> >> sexuality.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Ray Easton <kraimie at kraimie.net> wrote:
> >> > Ian Livingston wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I never understood the quick leap to homoeroticism.
> >> >
> >> > Right or wrong, Fiedler's argument can hardly be called a quick leap.  And
> >> > the rest of the points you make below are straw men in the case of Fielder.
> >> >
> >> > Ray
> >> >
> >> >> My take is that it
> >> >> is largely projection. Are all women friends unconsumated lesbians,
> >> >> too? Our society is in deep shit if every friendship is Freudian when
> >> >> everyone who puts a good, solid half hour of research into it knows
> >> >> Freud's methods and conclusions were unsupported and thoroughly
> >> >> mistaken. Then again, maybe the wish that Freud's oversimplifications
> >> >> were acceptable that has contributed to put our society into such deep
> >> >> shit....
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:10 PM,  <malignd at aol.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Read Leslie Fiedler's Love and Death in the American Novel for a rich
> >> >>> discusision of unconsumated homoerotic love as an enduring theme in
> >> >>> American
> >> >>> fiction.  Two men lighting out across the country.  It doesn't begin with
> >> >>> Pycnhon.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> "liber enim librum aperit."
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> "liber enim librum aperit."
>