Someone (else) speak on Inherent Vice..?

[Mark Kohut]

I know...was just trying out new rhetorical flourishes. 

I have been interested by how many of the insights I liked---thought were right on imo, that is---came from those who were not all that high on the book.

Then there is Robin, the more than a wiki hisownself on this work--and who also likes it a lot. 

Explication is not evaluation as Alice reminded us ole Hank James said well. 

--- On Tue, 1/5/10, kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:

> From: kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Someone (else) speak on Inherent Vice..?
> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 6:57 PM
> No need to view ourselves as opposing
> sides of the argument, so much as gradations on a scale.
> 
> LK
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Jan 5, 2010 4:03 PM
> >To: kelber at mindspring.com
> >Cc: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> >Subject: Re: Someone (else) speak on Inherent Vice..?
> >
> >Laura, laura and rich, rich and grladams, grladams and
> alice, alice:
> >
> >It is a sportello into'on his major works...it is a
> self-portrait, self-mocking and witty of an author finding
> his themes in a time and a place......
> >
> >More minor than most, with those flaws some of you have
> pointed out----but so fine, as the Chiffons are always
> singing....
> >
> >--- On Tue, 1/5/10, kelber at mindspring.com
> <kelber at mindspring.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: kelber at mindspring.com
> <kelber at mindspring.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Someone (else) speak on Inherent
> Vice..?
> >> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> >> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 1:24 PM
> >> I'll agree that the book's worth
> >> reading for the glimpse it gives into the time and
> place the
> >> author lived in while writing GR, but saying that
> IV
> >> provides additional contexts for a reread of GR,
> COL49 and
> >> ATD seems a little overblown.  Substitute "pale
> echoes
> >> of" for "additional contexts in which to read" and
> I'm
> >> completely on board.
> >> 
> >> Laura
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >From: Robin Landseadel <robinlandseadel at comcast.net>
> >> 
> >> >
> >> >Funny, I thought the core topic of the book
> was the
> >> attempt to  
> >> >remember what life was like at
> Manhattan—excuse
> >> me—Gordita Beach, way  
> >> >back in 1970. I detect the author having a lot
> of fun
> >> tussling with  
> >> >narratorial authority, always leading to
> thoughts like
> >> "It's a wonder  
> >> >I can remember anything at all." Lots of
> quotidian 1970
> >> Los Angeles at  
> >> >the core of this remembrance of things past
> Rosecrans,
> >> with all sorts  
> >> >of cannabis flavored madeleines and other
> stoned
> >> diversions scattered  
> >> >along the way, leading to the usual
> cul-de-sacs and red
> >> herrings we  
> >> >all have learned to love so much over here at
> the
> >> P-list. This is a  
> >> >glimpse into those things that the author is
> most
> >> familiar with, shit  
> >> >he didn't have to look up, encapsulating the
> time and
> >> place the author  
> >> >lived in during the time he wrote the book
> that made
> >> him famous. In  
> >> >the process we are given additional contexts
> in which
> >> to read  
> >> >Gravity's Rainbow and The Crying of Lot 49,
> not to
> >> mention the Noir- 
> >> >laden Against the Day.
> >> >
> >> >On Jan 5, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Robert Mahnke
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hey Jill,
> >> >>
> >> >> Could you say more about what you mean by
> your
> >> first sentence?
> >> >>
> >> >> RPM
> >> >
> >> >> On 1/4/10, grladams at teleport.com
> >> <grladams at teleport.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> OK, what I find so disappointing in IV is
> the lack
> >> of deep artful  
> >> >> writing
> >> >> about the core topic of the book, which I
> presume
> >> to be a  
> >> >> revolutionary act
> >> >> of reversing the flow of money. It's been
> a topic
> >> before, reversals or
> >> >> potentials of reversal-- from wistful
> missed
> >> opportunities of  
> >> >> Tesla's free
> >> >> energy, reversal of time in photography,
> etc, and
> >> IV coulda been a
> >> >> contender.. but it aint. What I did like
> about IV
> >> was the story of
> >> >> Sportello's and Bjornsen's professional
> paths
> >> beginning at conflicting
> >> >> outlooks on the world, and then how by
> the end
> >> there's Sportello  
> >> >> kind of
> >> >> being exposed, willingly? by Bjornsen, in
> a good
> >> wake up and smell the
> >> >> coffee kind of way, to dangers that
> whether we
> >> agree or not, whether  
> >> >> we
> >> >> like it or not, bring about a
> concretization that
> >> the 60's or the  
> >> >> old ways,
> >> >> are over.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jill
> >> >>
> >> >> Original Message:
> >> >> -----------------
> >> >> From: Mark Kohut markekohut at yahoo.com
> >> >> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 14:23:13 -0800
> (PST)
> >> >> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
> >> >> Subject: Someone (else) speak on Inherent
> Vice..?
> >> >
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