IVIV music

[Mark Kohut]

It's not one literal time in history....as metaphor, it varies by books.

When--before--V. was born, before she was part-mechanical...(she was born in 1880---year of the first electric streetlights. 

When the tower in Lot 49 rose above a fecund nation---before the book opens metaphorically

The pre-industrial, pre-literate society that Morris just adumbrated--and extrapolated-- (in GR): "Ultimately Pynchon's pornographies in GR refer to (the
advent of) human consciousness in contrast to the purity of an
animal-like pre-conscious unfiltered experience, maybe a Nirvana."

Vineland, Inherent Vice---the sixties moment--of free interaction; doing things for nothing---see upcoming ending of IV.

The European community/village/town before the modern age---as pointed to
in Against the Day. Pre-industrial again, key to Pynchon's view of we humans in hisotry, I'd say. 

Perhaps, in America, M &D's time? Some say they are the roundest characters in his works. M & D time, in general, in America, as a conceptual ideal?---except for that mighty exception, which TRP will not overlook: slavery

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Keith <keithsz at mac.com> wrote:

> From: Keith <keithsz at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: IVIV music
> To: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 11:45 AM
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Mark
> Kohut wrote:
> 
> One might say--I might say---Pynchon finds ways, metaphors
> to point to the 'simply human'--what we've mostly lost.
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> If he is saying that, he's idealizing a past way of being
> human that I see no evidence of.
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> What piece of human history exemplifies a way of being
> simply human that was/is superior to the current state of
> affairs?
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