Back to the past....riffing on THE PRESERVED

[Mark Kohut]

Or, as so many smart plisters remind--youu know who you are (smile)---TRP, of course, does not finally answer the question........he just points to the dual possibilities simultaneously??

--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Back to the past....riffing on THE PRESERVED
> To: "Ian Livingston" <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 10:09 AM
> Full of myself over my
> "interpretation" and loving this link with Jung and the
> unconscious, let me refine my hip shot answer.
> 
> No, to the inherent vice within the unconscious except as
> the unconscious got perverted sometime in history..
> 
> Which of course begs the question of how it got perverted
> if the unconscious is universal....
> 
> so, I suggest, maybe, very tentatively, in P's view of
> history it got perverted by a few, but spread like a
> stain.........
> 
> Which I know means We are all also They per those smart
> plist reminders from GR...............
> 
> But, P is not doing logic-proof Hefgelian-like philosophy
> of history but just associative insights but
> 
> What do others think re this?
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/24/10, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: Back to the past....riffing on THE
> PRESERVED
> > To: "Ian Livingston" <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> > Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 8:51 AM
> > yes, nice, nice......
> > 
> > I say Mostly NO on whether the unconscious contains
> the
> > inherent vice....
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Back to the past....riffing on THE
> > PRESERVED
> > > To: "Mark Kohut" <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> > > Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > > Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 6:33 PM
> > > The sea, as image, symbol, refers to
> > > the unconscious, yes? It is the
> > > Mother (Mare, La Mer) of everything, of life,
> yes? of
> > > thought,
> > > consciousness. It is chaos, from whence all
> things
> > issue
> > > into the
> > > realm where reasoned order can be imposed, and
> it
> > reclaims
> > > all things
> > > in the end. One of the first and most deeply
> rooted of
> > all
> > > our
> > > archetypal symbols, it resonates deeply with the
> N.
> > > European psyche,
> > > if not among all cultures.
> > > 
> > > Is what is Preserved also that which can be said
> to
> > have an
> > > Inherent Vice?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Mark Kohut
> <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Specultions on the concept, The Preserved
> within
> > TRP's
> > > fiction
> > > >
> > > > 1) goes back deep in maritime law.
> > > >      1A) back before and, mostly,
> outside
> > the
> > > legal rise aand creations of nation states.
> > > > fromBritannica Concise Encyclopediaalso
> called
> > > admiralty law, or admiralty,
> > > > One early compilation of maritime
> regulations is
> > the
> > > 6th-century Digest of Justinian. Roman maritime
> law
> > and the
> > > 13th-century Consolat de Mar (“Consulate of
> the
> > Sea”)
> > > both brought temporary uniformity of maritime law
> to
> > the
> > > Mediterranean, but nationalism led many countries
> to
> > develop
> > > their own maritime codes. Maritime law deals
> mainly
> > with the
> > > eventualities of loss of a ship (e.g., through
> > collision) or
> > > cargo, with insurance and liability relating to
> those
> > > eventualities, and with collision compensation
> and
> > salvage
> > > rights. There has been an increasing tendency ...
> (100
> > of
> > > 6271 words)
> > > >
> > > > A ship named THE PRESERVED might be thought
> to
> > have a
> > > cargo of what, human values?,---cargo that had
> soul
> > since
> > > that was what, twice, p. 90, it was said to have
> > lost---
> > > preserved from the past? From before
> nation-states
> > and
> > > modern wars between them? Fighting over the
> territory
> > of
> > > each nation, whereas the sea was........open to
> all?
> > > >
> > > > .....we come from the sea.....Pynchon loves
> the
> > > water.....and some values associated with it,
> yes?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >        1A) Sauncho had a piece of a
> class
> > action
> > > suit against its cargo, we learned in this
> chapter
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > "liber enim librum aperit."
> > > 
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