Back to the past....riffing on THE PRESERVED

[Mark Kohut]

Full of myself over my "interpretation" and loving this link with Jung and the unconscious, let me refine my hip shot answer.

No, to the inherent vice within the unconscious except as the unconscious got perverted sometime in history..

Which of course begs the question of how it got perverted if the unconscious is universal....

so, I suggest, maybe, very tentatively, in P's view of history it got perverted by a few, but spread like a stain.........

Which I know means We are all also They per those smart plist reminders from GR...............

But, P is not doing logic-proof Hefgelian-like philosophy of history but just associative insights but

What do others think re this?

--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Back to the past....riffing on THE PRESERVED
> To: "Ian Livingston" <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 8:51 AM
> yes, nice, nice......
> 
> I say Mostly NO on whether the unconscious contains the
> inherent vice....
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Back to the past....riffing on THE
> PRESERVED
> > To: "Mark Kohut" <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 6:33 PM
> > The sea, as image, symbol, refers to
> > the unconscious, yes? It is the
> > Mother (Mare, La Mer) of everything, of life, yes? of
> > thought,
> > consciousness. It is chaos, from whence all things
> issue
> > into the
> > realm where reasoned order can be imposed, and it
> reclaims
> > all things
> > in the end. One of the first and most deeply rooted of
> all
> > our
> > archetypal symbols, it resonates deeply with the N.
> > European psyche,
> > if not among all cultures.
> > 
> > Is what is Preserved also that which can be said to
> have an
> > Inherent Vice?
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Specultions on the concept, The Preserved within
> TRP's
> > fiction
> > >
> > > 1) goes back deep in maritime law.
> > >      1A) back before and, mostly, outside
> the
> > legal rise aand creations of nation states.
> > > fromBritannica Concise Encyclopediaalso called
> > admiralty law, or admiralty,
> > > One early compilation of maritime regulations is
> the
> > 6th-century Digest of Justinian. Roman maritime law
> and the
> > 13th-century Consolat de Mar (“Consulate of the
> Sea”)
> > both brought temporary uniformity of maritime law to
> the
> > Mediterranean, but nationalism led many countries to
> develop
> > their own maritime codes. Maritime law deals mainly
> with the
> > eventualities of loss of a ship (e.g., through
> collision) or
> > cargo, with insurance and liability relating to those
> > eventualities, and with collision compensation and
> salvage
> > rights. There has been an increasing tendency ... (100
> of
> > 6271 words)
> > >
> > > A ship named THE PRESERVED might be thought to
> have a
> > cargo of what, human values?,---cargo that had soul
> since
> > that was what, twice, p. 90, it was said to have
> lost---
> > preserved from the past? From before nation-states
> and
> > modern wars between them? Fighting over the territory
> of
> > each nation, whereas the sea was........open to all?
> > >
> > > .....we come from the sea.....Pynchon loves the
> > water.....and some values associated with it, yes?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >        1A) Sauncho had a piece of a class
> action
> > suit against its cargo, we learned in this chapter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > "liber enim librum aperit."
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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