V2nd, C3: pov in sec. viii

[Ian Livingston]

>Mark Kohut wrote:
> the face would loom ever closer to a shadow as it fell.....then it would assume
> that vantage, the shadow's?
>

Yes. I think you have the line here, Mark and David, the shadow,
perhaps, yes, but the light is behind Bongo-Shaftsbury as he fires, so
the shadow would be his. And, as Stencil is hanging out in B-S the
younger's hut, the vantage would also be his? So is B-S our pov here?
He would see people turning in front of the statue and the changing
light. The question remains, why no noise? And, of course, how would
he see the shots from his own pistol? The bullet certainly precedes
the sound of the gunshot, so a shot to the head would likely leave the
victim deaf. But, what about Porpentine's smoking gun? Who has he shot
and why no noise?

The shadow, of course, also prefigures later uses of shadow in the
rest of the oeuvre, while echoing the popular radio figure. Hm.

On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I dunno.......
>
> So, maybe the light IS behind the statue and it is the shadow (of the statue)'s
> pov????
>
> the face would loom ever closer to a shadow as it fell.....then it would assume
> that vantage, the shadow's?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
> To: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Cc: David Payne <dpayne1912 at hotmail.com>; pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Sun, July 25, 2010 4:59:58 PM
> Subject: Re: V2nd, C3: pov in sec. viii
>
> But how does "the face and its masses of white skin" grow "ever
> closer" to the statue? Or do you all see the face growing closer to
> something else that the statue sees as a "vantage"?
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> After rereading yet again.............I think David's blocking-out is
> better re
>> the text.
>>
>> It better captures, I now think, the phrase "turn the corner"......
>> And............the scene seems more dramatic when the line
>>
>> "another has been standing at the end of the corridor" is read......the other
>> end...
>> and 'the end' from a pov statue which is at the other (east) end...........
>>
>> My blocking works literally, but not dramatically, nor suggestively.....nor
>> by covering all the verbal nuances
>>
>> IMHO.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: David Payne <dpayne1912 at hotmail.com>
>> To: Pynchon-l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> Sent: Sun, July 25, 2010 3:36:30 PM
>> Subject: RE: V2nd, C3: pov in sec. viii
>>
>>
>> I tried to mentally block it out, too, and I saw it differently than Mark did:
>>
>> I pictured the statue at the east end of the east/west corridor, in a corner
>> where the corridor curves around to the north. All the boxes are on the north
>> side of the corridor. I saw the corridor ending at a window on the west end.
>> Therefore, all characters would walk past the statue and toward the light.
>>
>>
>> Three questions:
>>
>> 1. Did the second set of characters enter the third box from the stage end?
>> 2. Did the "other" character emerged from the first box?
>> 3.  The first sentence of the second paragraph is: "A man wearing blue
>> spectacles hurries into the second box from the stage end of the
>> corridor." Does this mean, "A man hurries from the stage end of the corridor.
>>He
>> enters into the second box"? Or does it mean, "A man hurries into a box. The
>>box
>> that he hurried into was the second box from the stage end of the corridor"?
>>
>> I agree with Mark and John that we need to see architectural plans and a map
>> showing which way is west. But what building are we looking for? See Baedeker
>>p.
>> 37, "f. Theatres":
>>
>>http://books.google.com/books?id=AnVBAAAAYAAJ&pg=PP6&dq=egypt+and+the+sudan&hl=en&ei=WFhMTPXrOsKJnQf33a3YCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=opera%20house&f=false
>>e
>>
>>
>> The Baedeker says: "Summer theatres (actors generally Italian), in the
>>Ezbekiyeh
>> Gardens and adjoining the Kasr en-Nil Terrace at the Nile Bridge".
>>
>> What does that mean? That there were two summer theaters and they were both
>> outdoors?
>>
>> Did Pynchon actually use the Khedivial Opera House which the Baedeker
>> identifies as used during the winter season, "the arrangement ... of which
>> resembles those of Italian theatres"?
>>
>>
>> See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khedivial_Opera_House
>>
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