A little P..more on charisma; as it expands conceptually post-war

Mark Kohut markekohut at yahoo.com
Sun Mar 7 08:14:29 CST 2010


Gould again: charismatic leaders need the medium of mass communication..stagecraft applied to statecraft.....

Therefore always linked to the entertainment industry.....
Hollywood 'star' system the example of charismatic embodiment in mass media......spreading, spreading......

"in an industry devoted to the manufacture of fame, true charisma
attached to those who demonstrated their autonomy from the means of 
production. In the early 1960s, however, this principle, which has become
thoroughly routinized in contemporary popular culture, was still only dimly understood."

Charismatic personalities, Weber sez, inspire "a devotion born of distress and enthusiasm".....Freud jumped on Weber's charismatic bandwagon by saying
the major feeling created was "ambivalence, love/hate, etc.".......

--- On Sun, 3/7/10, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: A little P..more on charisma
> To: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:00 AM
> Again, remember in GR, when TRP
> speaks of charisma post-war, growing?
> 
> Again, Gould's book: Bolshevism in Russia, Fascism in
> Italy, Nazism in Germany and Maoism in China were all
> textbook charimatic movememnts.....
> 
> "Yet these cataclysmic manifestations of Weber's theory
> also served to narrow his concept of charisma by branding it
> as an inherently demagogic phenomenon---[it is "hated" in
> GR]---"
> 
> "Not until the 1950s--[that post-war period TRP wrote of!],
> when Weber's writings.. became widely disseminated ...did
> the broader applications of he theory begin to be
> recognized--on the eve, that is, of a decade in which
> charismatic challenges to institutional authority would be
> played out in virtually every theater of Politics, culture,
> and society." 
> 
>  
> 
> --- On Sat, 3/6/10, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: A little P
> > To: "pynchon -l" <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> > Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 7:21 PM
> > Remember P on Charisma in Gravity's
> > Rainbow?..grounded in Weber, at least.
> > 
> > From a book called Can't Buy Me Love by one Jonathan
> Gould,
> > subtitled The Beatles, Britain and America, the
> ambitious
> > Mr. Gould trying to do the deepest social, cultural
> and
> > music history sez this:
> > 
> > "In March 1961, Vogue magazine's venerable guide to
> the
> > latest trends, "People Are Talking About" included a
> brief
> > and mangled reference to 'the overdeveloped and
> curious use
> > by literary critics of the word charism [sic] which
> means
> > special divine of spirtual gift'. Within a few
> > years the term charisma would emerge as a cliche of
> first
> > resort, an all-purpose synonym for "presence' 'aura"
> or
> > "magnetism"...
> > 
> > 
> >       
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 


      



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