One of these things is not like the other one

[Ian Livingston]

Rich wrote:
> I'm not comfortable with the state having such power but what do you
> do with such people as in the CT case which if you read the details
> leaves one speechless

I say, mark 'em and put 'em in the general population in the toughest
prison available. It's about the same as a death penalty, when the
condemned has killed children. Many prisoners are zealously loving
parents who wound up where they are out of inability to function in
society for any number of reasons. Child molesters and killers, I
hear, often mysteriously die violent deaths in prison.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:27 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> we all understand the problem will always lay in implementation. my
> point was that its very hard to make a blanket statement yea/nay for
> capital punishment.
> I'm not comfortable with the state having such power but what do you
> do with such people as in the CT case which if you read the details
> leaves one speechless
> and what makes this any different from hanging war criminals
> don't pretend to have any answer but personally the Hayes case leaves
> me doubtful I could ever vote to ban the death penalty
>
> rich
>
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Michael Bailey
> <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
>> kneejerk anti-capital-punishment boilerplate (but it needs to be said):
>>
>> no matter what you do to Steven J Hayes, it won't bring back the
>> people he murdered.  All capital punishment does is continue the
>> horrible revenge tradition.
>>
>> Well, that's actually not all it does.  It also reinforces the idea
>> that the State has a right and even a duty to kill people.  Slippery
>> slope.
>>
>>
>>
>>  rich wrote:
>>> and then you have this case. there's always exceptions
>>>
>>> A jury sentenced Steven J. Hayes to death on Monday for his part in a
>>> home invasion in Cheshire, Conn., in which a woman and her two
>>> daughters were killed, in a crime of such incomprehensible savagery
>>> and randomness that the trial upended a debate about capital
>>> punishment. [NYT] The sentencing followed trial that lasted nearly two
>>> months, during which jurors were “exposed to images of depravity and
>>> horror no human being should have to see,” as Judge Jon C. Blue of
>>> State Superior Court said while thanking them. (Also see The New York
>>> Post and The Wall Street Journal.)
>>>
>>> Jurors said that they were in accord about choosing the death penalty
>>> and that their three days of deliberations were spent solemnly
>>> considering when capital punishment can be invoked and wading through
>>> the complex legal questions it entails. Also, the punishment may not
>>> be rendered anytime soon. Mr. Hayes will now enter the appeals process
>>> that follows any death penalty verdict, a legal labyrinth that can
>>> last decades. [NYT]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robin Landseadel
>>> <robinlandseadel at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> From "Outside the Beltway"
>>>>
>>>> A Comparative Fact Regarding the Death Penalty that Gives One Pause
>>>> STEVEN L. TAYLOR
>>>>
>>>>        Gallup released a new poll on US attitudes towards the
>>>>        death penalty and unsurprisingly finds that support has
>>>>        remained relatively steady since 2002:  In U.S., 64%
>>>>        Support Death Penalty in Cases of Murder.
>>>>
>>>>        What struck me was the following observation:
>>>>        The use of the death penalty has been declining worldwide,
>>>>        with most of the known executions now carried out in five
>>>>        countries — China, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the United
>>>>        States.
>>>>
>>>>        When dealing with issues of justice and human rights, that
>>>>        isn’t exactly the company I would think that the US would
>>>>        aspire to keep.  We are talking about three authoritarian
>>>>        regimes with questionable human rights records (China,
>>>>        Iran and Saudi Arabia), a pseudodemocracy in the context
>>>>        of an ongoing conflict (Iraq), and the country that sees itself
>>>>        as a beacon of liberty and democracy (the US).  One of
>>>>        these things is, theoretically, not like the others.  At a
>>>>        minimum this comparison ought to give us all pause for
>>>>        thought.
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/23oglwb
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Such regulations may, no doubt, be considered as in some respects a
>> violation of natural liberty. But those exertions of the natural
>> liberty of a few individuals, which might endanger the security of the
>> whole society, are, and ought to be, restrained by the laws of all
>> governments, of the most free as well as of the most despotical." -
>> Adam Smith
>>
>



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