V2nd - Chapter 10, au revoir, hello East Orange?

[Mark Kohut]

Fausto's too world-weary to be the voice of the young Pynchon.  But maybe he's 
the voice that young P wants to develop.  Is Fausto a reliable narrator?  He 
seems to provide Stencil with the only objective (in that he's providing it 
unasked, and without any apparent agenda)evidence of V.'s existence and her 
being in the same place as the elder Stencil.
Laura

Nope, I suggest.....Pynchon was more psychically world-weary (in his fiction) 
when young than in most later works.....follow the movement
of Fausto's loss of faith.....death-in-lifeness concerns here.................
And, most of the malta stuff, matriarchy, kids innocence and more are V.'s 
themes in one chapter....
As the Mondaugen chapter was P finding and articulating the vision of History 
and foretelling GR,

Malta articulates the vision of Life now lost...............................

He better be reliable or Alice will have to convince me why not...

-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Nov 15, 2010 10:21 AM
>To: kelber at mindspring.com, pynchon-l at waste.org
>Subject: Re: V2nd - Chapter 10, au revoir, hello East Orange?
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>Via Mike B.'s 'commodius vicus of recirculation, I've relearned just how rich is 
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>Chapter 11....so much forgotten
>despite earlier readings..............
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>In a too-quick answer to Laura's ob below, I might suggest this chapter leads to 
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>V....is a portrait of the author
>in various forms--like V.---arriving at his Maltese-grounded 
vision.............
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>Among lots of other things..............................
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>----- Original Message ----
>From: "kelber at mindspring.com" <kelber at mindspring.com>
>To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 5:52:11 PM
>Subject: Re: V2nd - Chapter 10, au revoir, hello East Orange?
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>Thanks, Michael.  Chapter 11 is a dense one, 50 or so pages long, so it's been 
>allotted 3 weeks (until 12/5) to digest.  I'm fully expecting and hoping that 
>Alice-Terrance will situate it for us in the American literary tradition.  But 
>there are other literary influences afoot.  Dig in, everyone!  I haven't read 
>Borges, but I'm guessing his influence is here, mainly by extrapolating 
>backwards from Bolano's "The Savage Detectives," which seems to intersect with 
>Fausto's Confessions in terms of the protagonist feeling himself to be at the 
>forefront of a new literary movement.  Was that book influenced by this chapter, 
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>or were both influenced by Borges?
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>One thing that strikes me about Chapter 11 is that, so far as I can recall (I 
>stand to be corrected here!) this first-person confessional, or parody of a 
>first-person confessional, is the only such example in all of Pynchon's works. 
>Mondaugen's Story leads to GR; this stands alone.  Examples to the contrary, 
>anyone?
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>Laura
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>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Nov 14, 2010 2:29 PM
>>To: P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>>Subject: V2nd - Chapter 10, au revoir, hello East Orange?
>>
>>by a commodious vicus of recirculation, if my slide rule calculates
>>correctly, we've spent 2 fruitful weeks discussing Chapter 10, and
>>thank you to Laura for timely and pertinent commentary (and to others,
>>you know who you are)
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>>I think the confessional theme is carried forward in Chapter 12, The
>>Confessions of Fausto Maijstral
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>>has he struck a Faustian bargain?  He seems to think he's a very
>>changed man.  Do his 3 phases represent a Hegelian progression, or
>>perhaps the 3 states of matter: solid liquid and gas?
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>>Once again we leave Nueva York and environs and the 1950s, like
>>Peabody and Sherman and the Wayback Machine...
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>>I can hardly wait!
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>>"This way to the museyroom. Mind your hats goin' in" (JJ, FW: "this is
>>the big wide harse of Willingdone")
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>>-- 
>>"Such regulations may, no doubt, be considered as in some respects a
>>violation of natural liberty. But those exertions of the natural
>>liberty of a few individuals, which might endanger the security of the
>>whole society, are, and ought to be, restrained by the laws of all
>>governments, of the most free as well as of the most despotical." -
>>Adam Smith
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