TRTR(I.3) Hidden Profits [Epigraph]

[Mark Kohut]

So, a difference of response...........

I am feeling how little we've traveled, how 'relevant' --that 60s word---this 
book still is,
in fact this book is giving me that feeling of a book 'ahead of its time', while 
being of its time fully---
say like Hamlet?  and, yes,
there are some attitudes that we might have come far from, but they just seem
to me small (so far) like some custom of Shakespeare's time that doesn't
exist any more---bear-baiting---yet, of course still exists time-changed.....



----- Original Message ----
From: Erik T. Burns <eburns at gmail.com>
To: Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>
Cc: pynchon-l at waste.org
Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 5:51:34 PM
Subject: Re: TRTR(I.3) Hidden Profits [Epigraph]

or manage, as we all do, our private thoughts and public comments.

i think when i read a book like TR I really feel how far we've come on
so many levels, and yet how much we've lost along the way.

tradeoffs.



On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net> wrote:
> On 4/29/2011 4:55 PM, Erik T. Burns wrote:
>>
>> Even a symptom in us all...
>
> which the better educated among us have learned to suppress.  But which
> group is more authentic?
>
> In real life the educated approach seems to be the better way.  To put it
> mildly.
>
> In books it's better to let all hang out.
>
> P
>
>>
>>
>> On 29/04/2011, at 21:00, Richard Ryan<himself at richardryan.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> The homophobia in Gaddis may be like the misogyny in Pynchon; partly a
>>> symptom of the times, partly a symptom in the author.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Paul Mackin<mackin.paul at verizon.net>
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 4/29/2011 1:46 PM, David Morris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It was the overly-stereotypical dialogue of the various members of the
>>>>> NYC (what I call) Whole Sick Crew that put me off last time I read TR.
>>>>>  It's got to be satire, but not necessarily friendly satire.  It seems
>>>>> very likely to me that V's Whole Sick Crew was inspired by this one in
>>>>> TR.  And TRP's depiction of homosexuality in GR isn't too friendly
>>>>> either.  I think men in their eras were a lot less at ease with
>>>>> homosexuality in general
>>>>>
>>>> Is it a good idea, though, to judge art (in this case literary writing)
>>>> on
>>>> the basis of fairness to minorities, or majorities for that matter?
>>>>
>>>> In discussions of TR the word authenticity is often in the fore.  Mark
>>>> alluded to Trilling's Sincerity and Authenticity.   It's more than just
>>>> that
>>>> art isn't meant to teach good behavior.  It's that art itself is not
>>>> good
>>>> behavior.  In fact it is almost certainly bad behavior.  (in a manner of
>>>> speaking) Bad behavior can hurt.
>>>>
>>>> The good news is we can appreciate it without having to act it out.  Or
>>>> bring it home to the children.
>>>>
>>>> In life it's a good idea not to be too authentic.
>>>>
>>>> That's  the way I see it.  (not everyone does)
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:37 PM, rich<richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if only to play up those who aren't what they seem. if memory serves,
>>>>>> The Swede is married but is a flamer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but it's so clearly satirical--it doesn't seem malicious on gaddis'
>>>>>> part
>>>>>> (i.e. its what these people do that Gaddis mocks not who they are) at
>>>>>> least
>>>>>> thats how I see it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Ryan
>>> New York and the World
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