TRTR(I.3) Hidden Profits [Epigraph]

[Erik T. Burns]

or manage, as we all do, our private thoughts and public comments.

i think when i read a book like TR I really feel how far we've come on
so many levels, and yet how much we've lost along the way.

tradeoffs.



On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net> wrote:
> On 4/29/2011 4:55 PM, Erik T. Burns wrote:
>>
>> Even a symptom in us all...
>
> which the better educated among us have learned to suppress.  But which
> group is more authentic?
>
> In real life the educated approach seems to be the better way.  To put it
> mildly.
>
> In books it's better to let all hang out.
>
> P
>
>>
>>
>> On 29/04/2011, at 21:00, Richard Ryan<himself at richardryan.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> The homophobia in Gaddis may be like the misogyny in Pynchon; partly a
>>> symptom of the times, partly a symptom in the author.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Paul Mackin<mackin.paul at verizon.net>
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 4/29/2011 1:46 PM, David Morris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It was the overly-stereotypical dialogue of the various members of the
>>>>> NYC (what I call) Whole Sick Crew that put me off last time I read TR.
>>>>>  It's got to be satire, but not necessarily friendly satire.  It seems
>>>>> very likely to me that V's Whole Sick Crew was inspired by this one in
>>>>> TR.  And TRP's depiction of homosexuality in GR isn't too friendly
>>>>> either.  I think men in their eras were a lot less at ease with
>>>>> homosexuality in general
>>>>>
>>>> Is it a good idea, though, to judge art (in this case literary writing)
>>>> on
>>>> the basis of fairness to minorities, or majorities for that matter?
>>>>
>>>> In discussions of TR the word authenticity is often in the fore.  Mark
>>>> alluded to Trilling's Sincerity and Authenticity.   It's more than just
>>>> that
>>>> art isn't meant to teach good behavior.  It's that art itself is not
>>>> good
>>>> behavior.  In fact it is almost certainly bad behavior.  (in a manner of
>>>> speaking) Bad behavior can hurt.
>>>>
>>>> The good news is we can appreciate it without having to act it out.  Or
>>>> bring it home to the children.
>>>>
>>>> In life it's a good idea not to be too authentic.
>>>>
>>>> That's  the way I see it.  (not everyone does)
>>>>
>>>> P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> David Morris
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 12:37 PM, rich<richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if only to play up those who aren't what they seem. if memory serves,
>>>>>> The Swede is married but is a flamer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> but it's so clearly satirical--it doesn't seem malicious on gaddis'
>>>>>> part
>>>>>> (i.e. its what these people do that Gaddis mocks not who they are) at
>>>>>> least
>>>>>> thats how I see it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richard Ryan
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