GR translation: there is a new election, a new preterition abroad

[David Morris]

On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Michael Bailey
<michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
> David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Calvanist predestination was conceived precisely to remove human action from responsibility for an individuals ultimate fate. Predestination logic is an extension of Luther's teaching that salvation was via "grace," a pure gift from God, not earned in any way by man.  Calvinism equates the decision to believe/accept this grace with human action, thus predestination functions to make this act of believing involuntary.  Calvinism essentially codifies a completely fated world, set in motion like a machine from before the advent of time.
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> ...and while solving certain problems,created others...
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> what it solves, I think, is that Luther and Calvin were recoiling from the idea that any manmade institution such as the church, could offer (sell) grace
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> what it creates is a can of worms where "don't matter what you say, don't matter what you do, you're gonna wind up in the middle of that rock'n'roll stew"
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> and a class system readymade for socialist rebellion against...

Right.  But Christianity's free-will problem really goes all the way
back to the Garden (and really back to the fall of Lucifer).  An
Omniscient, Omnipotent God capriciously creates beings and worlds
destined for suffering and Death.  Nice guy, that God.