GR translations: except for William the very first

[Paul Mackin]

On 12/14/2011 12:53 PM, Michael Bailey wrote:
> it's a very involved sentence.  certainly that spiritual meaning is driven at.
>
> the primary action, seeing the Hand in the sky, is distributed over
> all the clauses, and certainly this points (like the Hand) to the
> meanings you're explicating.
>
> I'm also pointing to William the very first's eventual return to
> England as being a physical fact which is also intended to be referred
> to.
>
> Just as young Tyrone has now returned to England, at least temporarily
> escaping that Doom that apparently has met all the American
> Slothrop's, or perhaps (shudder) bringing it with him...

Am I correct in thinking that all we know at this point in the book is 
that both William and Tyrone have crossed the Atlantic?

We learn of William's return to England and of the Slothropine Heresy 
only much later.

For what it's worth and aside from trying to decipher Mike's paragraph,  
the Heresy is of much greater import in the total scheme of the book 
than the return. I mean, in setting William apart from the others

P



>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:01 AM, alice wellintown
> <alicewellintown at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> His RETURN, no deposit no return, while not quite a Reversible (more
>> akin to Teilhard de Chardin's No Return, his physical journey or
>> return to his native lands, is a figurative progress; What
>> distinguishes William is not his physical movements so much as his
>> spiritial one. The questions he raises, and, more importantly, the
>> fact that he, a powerful and important man, but still a relatively
>> "unlettered" man, when he is juxtaposed with those who find him guilty
>> of (we might call it a sin or we might call it treason) writing a book
>> that looks too deeply and darkly into the mysteries of the Father&
>> Son, and specifically the the Passion and how Christ's sufferings, for
>> TULIPs, is to be read by the congregation, are a Return to Earth.
>> Beautiful stuff from young Tom.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:08 AM, Mike Jing
>> <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> Wow, fascinating stuff.  Thanks, Michael.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Michael Bailey
>>> <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> the first William Slothrop moved back to England and is buried there.
>>>>
>>>> viz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Pynchon