Thanks again for Dylan suggestions

[Mark Kohut]

Yes, Richard is more right.......'about' is too strong a word...(i knew of some 
mutual influnce and thought they "knew' each other better)

Ron Rosenbaum wrote in Slate[2] that Dylan had told him he wrote the song after 
spending a weekend immersed in Joni Mitchell's Blue.

Check out on google Book Search The Songs of Joni Mitchell, 2008, p77 I 
think....[go to it and put in Dylan] and you'll
read some good stuff about how Dylan's songs gave her the whole concept of being 
a singer-songwriter..........she focuses
on his sarcastic, nuanced, delivery of "You say you want to be my 
friend".........

What that opened up in her. 




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From: Richard Ryan <himself at richardryan.com>
To: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
Cc: edmoorester at gmail.com; pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
Sent: Sun, July 3, 2011 2:14:04 PM
Subject: Re: Thanks again for Dylan suggestions

"About" and not "for" in "homage to" Mark?  The actual story-line of the song 
seems to be a piece of contemporary urban hipster mythology unrelated to the 
actual songwriter.  BD didn't work on a fishing boat outside of Delacroix.  JM 
was never a stripper (as far as I know).  Please elaborate.


On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:

I don't know music but I do know that "Tangled Up In Blue"
>is about Bobby and Joni Mitchell, who did BLUE (an album). 
>
>Joni is one of the toughest protectors of her song lines around. 
>Almost never gives permission to use.....we all knew that a 
>couplet (or quatrain) from a Mitchell song was in the reading copy
>of Gravity's Rainbow but is not in the published book. 
>
>I know of a whole first printing of a decent novel which a publishing house
>had to 'recall", never ship, pulp, because permision for some song lines
>were not gotten and she learned and demanded it. 
>
>She's a fierce artist..........
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From: "edmoorester at gmail.com" <edmoorester at gmail.com>
>To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>Sent: Sun, July 3, 2011 1:02:04 AM
>Subject: Thanks again for Dylan suggestions
>
>Joe Allonby wrote: 
>
>"Try "Tangled Up in Blue". It's a nice exercise for the major-sus4-sus2 
>figure that pops up in a lot of songs and the narrative makes it 
>easier to remember the lyrics." 
>
>I got hooked on Lennon's "Happy Xmas" which has a similar major 
>-sus4-sus2 pattern and "Tangled up in Blue" will work nicely esp 
>because I learned a lot of those chords already. . cool! 
>
>
>"Cool thing about "Hurricane": the opening lines read like stage 
>directions in a play. Present tense. Describing the action of the 
>characters and setting the scene. Pistol shots ring out...Enter Patty 
>Ballantine from the other hall... It's an interesting technique." 
>
>Huh. . .it is cool just to look at how Dylan sets up the story. 
>
>A lot of times exposition in movies esp bore me to tears 
>but because I only watch dvds (hate paying 9 bucks in theaters) 
>I have learned the fast forward button with captioning! 
>
>ed


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