Thanks again for Dylan suggestions

[Joe Allonby]

Chiming in on this (Chimes of Freedom on the 4th?)

One of the neatest tricks in "Tangled Up in Blue" that many people
miss on casual listening is the change of narrator. He evens tips his
hand with the line "We always did feel the same, we just saw it from a
different point of view".

>From the 1st verse through the return to the women's apartment to
smoke and read Italian poetry after the reunion in the "topless
place", the narration is in the 1st person: "I", "She".

Suddenly, it's "I lived with THEM on Montague St".

It's a different guy talking.

If I remember correctly this was not in the original recording that he
scrapped. He monkeyed with it live a lot.


On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, Richard is more right.......'about' is too strong a word...(i knew of
> some mutual influnce and thought they "knew' each other better)
>
> Ron Rosenbaum wrote in Slate[2] that Dylan had told him he wrote the song
> after spending a weekend immersed in Joni Mitchell's Blue.
>
> Check out on google Book Search The Songs of Joni Mitchell, 2008, p77 I
> think....[go to it and put in Dylan] and you'll
> read some good stuff about how Dylan's songs gave her the whole concept of
> being a singer-songwriter..........she focuses
> on his sarcastic, nuanced, delivery of "You say you want to be my
> friend".........
>
> What that opened up in her.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Richard Ryan <himself at richardryan.com>
> To: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>
> Cc: edmoorester at gmail.com; pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org>
> Sent: Sun, July 3, 2011 2:14:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Thanks again for Dylan suggestions
>
> "About" and not "for" in "homage to" Mark?  The actual story-line of the
> song seems to be a piece of contemporary urban hipster mythology unrelated
> to the actual songwriter.  BD didn't work on a fishing boat outside of
> Delacroix.  JM was never a stripper (as far as I know).  Please elaborate.
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I don't know music but I do know that "Tangled Up In Blue"
>> is about Bobby and Joni Mitchell, who did BLUE (an album).
>>
>> Joni is one of the toughest protectors of her song lines around.
>> Almost never gives permission to use.....we all knew that a
>> couplet (or quatrain) from a Mitchell song was in the reading copy
>> of Gravity's Rainbow but is not in the published book.
>>
>> I know of a whole first printing of a decent novel which a publishing
>> house
>> had to 'recall", never ship, pulp, because permision for some song lines
>> were not gotten and she learned and demanded it.
>>
>> She's a fierce artist..........
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "edmoorester at gmail.com" <edmoorester at gmail.com>
>> To: pynchon-l at waste.org
>> Sent: Sun, July 3, 2011 1:02:04 AM
>> Subject: Thanks again for Dylan suggestions
>>
>> Joe Allonby wrote:
>>
>> "Try "Tangled Up in Blue". It's a nice exercise for the major-sus4-sus2
>> figure that pops up in a lot of songs and the narrative makes it
>> easier to remember the lyrics."
>>
>> I got hooked on Lennon's "Happy Xmas" which has a similar major
>> -sus4-sus2 pattern and "Tangled up in Blue" will work nicely esp
>> because I learned a lot of those chords already. . cool!
>>
>>
>> "Cool thing about "Hurricane": the opening lines read like stage
>> directions in a play. Present tense. Describing the action of the
>> characters and setting the scene. Pistol shots ring out...Enter Patty
>> Ballantine from the other hall... It's an interesting technique."
>>
>> Huh. . .it is cool just to look at how Dylan sets up the story.
>>
>> A lot of times exposition in movies esp bore me to tears
>> but because I only watch dvds (hate paying 9 bucks in theaters)
>> I have learned the fast forward button with captioning!
>>
>> ed
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