V---2nd Pynchon theme?

[Mark Kohut]

With Kraus the insight is cultural not clinical, yes? 

As I suggest it is in Pynchon....


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From: Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
To: jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: V---2nd Pynchon theme?

I suppose I can grok the aphorism thus translated, if we accept that
psychoanalysis is a disease in the same way alcoholism or drug
addiction is a disease, i.e., as a symptom that develops a pathology
of its own.

On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 1:35 PM, jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kraus' aphorism in German:
>
> Psychoanalyse ist jene Geisteskrankheit, für deren Therapie sie sich
> hält. (Die Fackel, 376, p. 21)
>
> You see perhaps that the translation could be better: it is not
> another aspect but the disease, the mental illness, itself, says KK.
>
> And you should read the Last Days of Mankind, not want to see it
> staged. It's impossible to stage. Here you can at least hear Kraus
> reading the poem "Die Raben":
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACCf6YFmYTU
>
> It is captured on film, there you could see him lift his hands,
> letting them flutter like the birds in question. It's haunting.
>
> 2011/3/12 Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>:
>> He satirizes (almost) everything, even most of the thinkers, ideas that fill 
>>his
>>
>> books, right?
>>
>> So, especially in V. and GR, he loads in some psychoanalytic ideas, Freudian,
>> etc. and perhaps
>> examples---all that sado-masochistic sex, say?---of 
psychoanalytically-studied
>> perversions?
>>
>> An aphorism of karl kraus, savage satirist of the Austria/Germany/Vienna of 
>his
>> time
>>
>> especially of Freud(ianism), has stuck with me:
>>
>> "Psychoanalysis is another aspect of the disease it purports to cure"....
>>
>> Would TRP agree?
>>
>> Another work I've always wanted to read---or see staged!---Last Days of 
>>Mankind,
>> look
>> it and Kraus up on wikipedia if interested.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



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