rebuttal of earlier post
Joseph Tracy
brook7 at sover.net
Sun Nov 27 07:26:30 CST 2011
This article was by Naomi Wolf, not Naomi Klein. Klein is a very thorough journalist and historian; she's all about evidence. The Wolf article is criticized in Alternet( http://www.alternet.org/occupywallst/153222/naomi_wolf’s_‘shocking_truth’_about_the_‘occupy_crackdowns’_offers_anything_but_the_truth/ ) as being generally fragmented, too many non-sequiters( she doesn't make the connection between Congressional insider trading and the crackdown) and unsubstantiated on the key points . Of any substance at all regarding top down pressure from Homeland Security there was one source, speaking on background , referenced but not quoted by Wolf, who said that some people from Homeland Security sat in on the Mayor's conference call and suggested that for any eviction process mayors should a)find legal basis, b) bring plenty of enforcers with lots of gear( nothing about using it, but...) c) do it when press coverage will be minimal.
If that is true and confirmed it brings up troubling issues, but doesn't seem to amount to top down orders. The Guardian should have vetted this more carefully.
On Nov 27, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Michael Bailey wrote:
> Klein'd need more data points to be convincing.
> But the rebutter'd need more buttressing to uproot the seed she
> planted thoroughly enough that nothing remained of it....
>
> it's an intriguing pattern, and like other conspiracy theories I could
> mention, the most persuasive bit of evidence is one's impression of
> the type of people the potential perps (ie, in this case, Congress)
> seem to be...
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Ian Livingston
> <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://www.alternet.org/story/153222/naomi_wolf%E2%80%99s_%E2%80%98shocking_truth%E2%80%99_about_the_%E2%80%98occupy_crackdowns%E2%80%99_offers_anything_but_truth/?page=entire
>>
>> --
>> "Less than any man have I excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
>> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the
>> trust in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments
>> of darkness groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates
>> than the simplest urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
>>
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