NP, but Kubrick

[Monte Davis]

Oh Dad, Poor Dad, Mama's Hung You in the Closet and I'm Feelin' So Sad
(off-Broadway 1962)



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From: owner-pynchon-l at waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l at waste.org] On Behalf
Of Paul Mackin
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:29 PM
To: pynchon-l at waste.org
Subject: Re: NP, but Kubrick

On 4/4/2012 4:40 PM, Mark Kohut wrote:
> Paul M> wrote:
> "Also we mustn't forget that a satirical variation of the 'how to'
> formula currently was on the boards in a hot musical--How to Succeed 
> in Business Without Really Trying."
> We need a linguistic historian----Calling David Crystal or Geoffrey
> Nunberg----
> to see if this kind of phrasing was higher than it had been.
> We DO know that "black humor" --as the books on Kubrick label his 
> title,acccurately enough---was hot. and newly labeled....



The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living and Became Mixed Up
Zombies (1963)
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> *From:* Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>
> *To:* pynchon-l at waste.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 4, 2012 3:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: NP, but Kubrick
>
> On 4/4/2012 1:54 PM, Mark Kohut wrote:
>  > A fascinating question, Monte, and I go with Paul's suggestion. In 
> fact,  > my impressionistic memory of early bookselling days  > in the 
> late sixties in Pittsburgh was that this Carngie book outsold the  > 
> Friends one.....but carries no weight, I know..
>  > (decades later when I learned something about the publishing of 
> these  > books, I was alittle self-surprised that Friends  > launched 
> the series, for example, since I half-thought that it must have  > 
> stoarted with Worry.....)  > Some fun searching in Google Books for 
> that subtitle and partials---such  > as "learning to love"---  > NOT 
> in the Andrew Carnegie book, it seems, or "learning to love the  > 
> bomb"----elicits no citations  > before the movie subtitle---[but not 
> conclusive, of course, since not  > much then that might prove 
> otherwise]  > is in Google Books or books that later noted the earlier 
> use.......maybe  > need the search that includes 
> newspapers?...........
>  > Lotsa stuff about how The Bomb was in the culture at the time...
>  > Going to Strangelove and Kubrick.....we can learn that Kubrick's 
> working  > draft titles had nothing like that......as  > the script 
> got worked over by first him, then Terry Southern and Nelson  > 
> George..........
>  > Pauline Kael in a much later piece about Kubrick made this point 
> saying  > we had always assumed the subtitle was satiric  > but maybe 
> Kubrick did love the machinery of war.....etc......
>  > I vote out of the air that the satiric subtitle came from Terry  > 
> Southern........
>  > (but of course if he picked up the pharase from the culture then 
> Monte's  > question now just applies to him.)
>
> Also we mustn't forget that a satirical variation of the 'how to'
> formula currently was on the boards in a hot musical--How to Succeed 
> in Business Without Really Trying.
>
> P
>  >
>  > *From:* Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net 
> <mailto:mackin.paul at verizon.net>>  > *To:* pynchon-l at waste.org 
> <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>  > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 3, 2012 12:41 
> PM  > *Subject:* Re: NP, but Kubrick  >  > On 4/3/2012 12:01 PM, Monte 
> Davis wrote:
>  > > Speaking of K:
>  > > It's my hazy recollection that the string "How I learned to stop 
> worrying  > > and love [x]" already had some currency before its 
> appearance as  > sub/alter  > > title to Dr. Strangelove. It's always 
> had the flavor of parody, verbal  > > sendup, but the original is 100% 
> subsumed by now. Was it echoing the  > title  > > of a memoir, a 
> self-help book? Or am I making this up? Au secours,  > Boomers  > > 
> and wannabes!
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>  >
>  > How to Stop Worrying and Start Living--Dale Carnegie  >  > P  >  >  
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