Back to AtD: WTF? with Yashmeen's f**king?

[Paul Mackin]

On 4/24/2012 12:35 PM, Mark Kohut wrote:
> I hoped yahsmeen woudl bring you back to the post.....
> nice

Thanks, Mark--here for ya.

P
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> *From:* Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>
> *To:* pynchon-l at waste.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:48 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Back to AtD: WTF? with Yashmeen's f**king?
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> On 4/24/2012 8:11 AM, Mark Kohut wrote:
>  > "more Jongian than Jungian"....
>  > More on Yashmeen. So smart and what we have come to call liberated, yes?
>  > Mind and body integrated?
>  > Unlike Ruperta Chirpington-Groin, she doesn't just fuck anyone...Her
>  > lovers stick....She can fuck one while
>  > still pining for her real love. Not everyone, perhaps women especially?,
>  > can.
>  > Men fall for her like for Who?....Monroe?....(TRP was supposedly sad
>  > when Marilyn died. Some kind of Beauty Ideal? Celebrity Venus?)
>  > Yashmeen is some kind of ideal woman in AtD, yes?.............
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> I had a subversive thought. Pynchon here is writing "women's fiction,"
> by which is meant fiction thought to appeal to women. People ARE always
> pointing out a certain lack in his writing, so let's show 'em different.
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> The heroine has only casual affairs. The sex is playful and
> entertaining, to her and the reader alike, as cutely exemplified in the
> clit interlude. But True Love does not come. Not, that is, until finally
> Mr. Right appears and the world changes.
>
> The whole thing is subverted of course by who Yashmeen is. Yashmeen had
> dreams, dreams of what she might do with her math, where it might lead.
> Her faith was misplaced no doubt. But it made her special. With Reef
> that is lost.
>
> That scamp Pynchon.
>
> P
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>  > *From:* "bandwraith at aol.com <mailto:bandwraith at aol.com>"
> <bandwraith at aol.com <mailto:bandwraith at aol.com>>
>  > *To:* pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>
>  > *Sent:* Monday, April 23, 2012 7:08 PM
>  > *Subject:* Re: Back to AtD: WTF? with Yashmeen's f**king?
>  >
>  > I think it's more Jongian than Jungian,
>  > and intentionally so. It's the classic
>  > "Zipless Fuck" he's winking at.
>  >
>  > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipless_fuck#Zipless_fuck
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>  >
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com <mailto:markekohut at yahoo.com>
> <mailto:markekohut at yahoo.com <mailto:markekohut at yahoo.com>>>
>  > To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>
> <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>>>
>  > Sent: Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:38 am
>  > Subject: Back to AtD: WTF? with Yashmeen's f**king?
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>  > For the Jungians and the feminists (of either sex) on the list...
>  >
>  > p. 817...'Of course, it was just in that instant that she met up with
>  > Vlado Clissan"...
>  > And Yashmeen is taken--willingly, ever so and importantly---as in a
> Romance
>  > porn novel......
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>  > and TRP gives us a little trope joke here..when he has Yashmeen talk
>  > about her clitoris
>  > being addressed "in an unfamilar way, not rudely, actually quite
>  > considerately, perhaps
>  > it was the angle...but how could she be thinking of geometry"....."but
>  > if she didn't keep
>  > some atttachment to that, where would they be taken? Out to sea"...
>  >
>  > A little Jungian (even Freudian?) trope? The "oceanic feeling" ?....
>  > Better'n sex&death tropes in some way, yes?
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