Back to AtD: WTF? with Yashmeen's f**king?

[Mark Kohut]

Nice....So, Romance writer, in the literary sense, TRP,
has some scoundrel-like fun with Romance, using its
tropes but subverting its happy endings.....
 
One might even call it an internal self-metaphor for
his kind of Romance, yes?


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From: Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at verizon.net>
To: pynchon-l at waste.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: Back to AtD: WTF? with Yashmeen's f**king?

On 4/24/2012 8:11 AM, Mark Kohut wrote:
> "more Jongian than Jungian"....
> More on Yashmeen. So smart and what we have come to call liberated, yes?
> Mind and body integrated?
> Unlike Ruperta Chirpington-Groin, she doesn't just fuck anyone...Her
> lovers stick....She can fuck one while
> still pining for her real love. Not everyone, perhaps women especially?,
> can.
> Men fall for her like for Who?....Monroe?....(TRP was supposedly sad
> when Marilyn died. Some kind of Beauty Ideal? Celebrity Venus?)
> Yashmeen is some kind of ideal woman in AtD, yes?.............


I had a subversive thought. Pynchon here is writing "women's fiction," 
by which is meant fiction thought to appeal to women. People ARE always 
pointing out a certain lack in his writing, so let's show 'em different.

The heroine has only casual affairs.  The sex is playful and 
entertaining, to her and the reader alike, as cutely exemplified in the 
clit interlude. But True Love does not come. Not, that is, until finally 
Mr. Right appears and the world changes.

The whole thing is subverted of course by who Yashmeen is. Yashmeen had 
dreams, dreams of what she might do with her math, where it might lead. 
Her faith was misplaced no doubt. But it made her special. With Reef 
that is lost.

That scamp Pynchon.

P
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> *From:* "bandwraith at aol.com" <bandwraith at aol.com>
> *To:* pynchon-l at waste.org
> *Sent:* Monday, April 23, 2012 7:08 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Back to AtD: WTF? with Yashmeen's f**king?
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> I think it's more Jongian than Jungian,
> and intentionally so. It's the classic
> "Zipless Fuck" he's winking at.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipless_fuck#Zipless_fuck
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com <mailto:markekohut at yahoo.com>>
> To: pynchon -l <pynchon-l at waste.org <mailto:pynchon-l at waste.org>>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 23, 2012 5:38 am
> Subject: Back to AtD: WTF? with Yashmeen's f**king?
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> For the Jungians and the feminists (of either sex) on the list...
>
> p. 817...'Of course, it was just in that instant that she met up with
> Vlado Clissan"...
> And Yashmeen is taken--willingly, ever so and importantly---as in a Romance
> porn novel......
>
> and TRP gives us a little trope joke here..when he has Yashmeen talk
> about her clitoris
> being addressed "in an unfamilar way, not rudely, actually quite
> considerately, perhaps
> it was the angle...but how could she be thinking of geometry"....."but
> if she didn't keep
> some atttachment to that, where would they be taken? Out to sea"...
>
> A little Jungian (even Freudian?) trope? The "oceanic feeling" ?....
> Better'n sex&death tropes in some way, yes?
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