NP - Toryism (Austerity) Isn't Working.

[Ian Livingston]

Yeah, these quiet little movements away from "pure" capitalism, without
engendering twisted ideas of "communism" or "socialism" on a grand scale
are a breath of fresh air. Like the old hippie dream growing up into real
possibility. Discovering this movement actually made it possible for me to
experience some momentary hope for humans.

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> We have a local transitions movement ,  still fragile but several of our
> events take place at or are sponsored by Williams College and it is good to
> see how many students are interested.  There is also a group in the region
> called northeastern permaculture  which is a web list for the growing
> interest in local permaculture design.   The gaia mind is  rich and
> available and real.
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Ian Livingston wrote:
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_Towns
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > I doubt we have yet entered the winter of global capitalism; so far we
> have just seen the big hole where the golden fang will be buried.. By the
> way I personally am ok with any system* that is ecologically sustainable
> and reasonably fair/just non-exploitive. That fair thing is really not just
> a moral issue, it's practical, humans evolved for millennia with sensible
> communal instincts.  The  current model of extractive growth and domination
> by military/economic exploitation has major problems and can only continue
> via a gruesome high tech feudalism.  That's the mindset of the US
> government , but such arrangements are clearly not viable at this time as
> Afghanistan, Vietnam, South America  Europe all show.    The corrupt
> america-modeled military-backed multi-national empire has to be cut down to
> size.  Reform does not look promising.   These big centralized
> bureaucracies will either make the planet uninhabitable or be replaced by
> smaller units of coherent culture, geography, and economic vitality.
> >
> > Where will the big changes come from? Violent  weather, eco-disasters,
> resistance to the hegemony of the dollar,  rising oceans, margin calls,
>  democracy and human rights movements, cost of energy, national
> bankruptcies, huge numbers of unemployed, resource battles( water, metals,
> rare earths, land, housing), tax resistance and more extreme actions.
> >
> >
> > *(Paul Hawkin and Amory Lovins , borrowing heavily from Bill Mcdonough
> wrote an interesting book called natural capitalism that proposed a system
> which integrates principles of sustainability and eco-harmony with
> capitalism.They make a case for how it could work but the momentum of the
> existing system is not based on  rational decision making and there is no
> political interest in a harmonious balanced  long term economic system. )
> >
> > On Apr 28, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Paul Mackin wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > >
> > > If Winter's here can Spring be far behind
> > >
> > > p
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> > --
> > "Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all
> creeds the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the trust
> in reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments of darkness
> groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates than the simplest
> urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
>
>


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"Less than any man have I  excuse for prejudice; and I feel for all creeds
the warm sympathy of one who has come to learn that even the trust in
reason is a precarious faith, and that we are all fragments of darkness
groping for the sun. I know no more about the ultimates than the simplest
urchin in the streets." -- Will Durant
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