Not overtly P. if interested, some analysis of American politics

[Ian Livingston]

Yes. And he may have been right. At least it's safe to say that modern
governments all seek to suppress / censor voices, lest the views expressed
prove toxic to the rulers.

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Michael Bailey <
michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:

> But the gist of Mill (grist of mill?) on censorship was basically let all
> viewpoints be heard including wrong ones and truth will emerge supreme
> (truth in everlast shorts holding up a boxing gloved hand, "the winner, and
> new champeen")
> On Dec 18, 2012 11:54 AM, "Mark Kohut" <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Not too easily since the liers never/seldom admit wrong.  As this guy
>> reminds using Mill, his vision of public dialogue
>> was that self-correcting kind you speak of. Gone in many fora.
>>
>>   *From:* Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
>> *To:* P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:24 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Not overtly P. if interested, some analysis of American
>> politics
>>
>> It's funny, though...lies are deliberately false information but there is
>> also incomplete information, wrong theories, and wrong assumptions in any
>> discussion so a robust discussion needs to correct for these things to be
>> any good, and the presence of a few or many lies can also be adjusted for,
>> right?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>  and society via Mill and Freud and Arendt. Summary: Mill's public space
>> of
>> discussion to go back-and-forth now virutally gone since lies played no
>> role in his
>> argument. A lie-based group creates deep problems for aim-inhibited
>> neurotics--
>> the major other Group.
>>
>> Freudian metaphors remind me of the N.O.Brown, early Pynchon strain of
>> seeing History.
>>
>> And newly-defined 'socialism' from the Left.
>>
>> http://nplusonemag.com/politicopsychopathology
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> - where the bee sucks, there suck I
>>
>>
>>
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