Not overtly P. if interested, some analysis of American politics

[Bekah]

Some of the looking don't care who's dead. 

Bek

On Dec 19, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wonder if that depends upon who's dead.
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> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 9:09 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> The dead don't care who's looking.
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> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
> It may depend upon who's looking.
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> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:05 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Truth may eventually emerge supreme, but we'll all be dead by then!
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> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes. And he may have been right. At least it's safe to say that modern governments all seek to suppress / censor voices, lest the views expressed prove toxic to the rulers.
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> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com> wrote:
> But the gist of Mill (grist of mill?) on censorship was basically let all viewpoints be heard including wrong ones and truth will emerge supreme (truth in everlast shorts holding up a boxing gloved hand, "the winner, and new champeen")
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> On Dec 18, 2012 11:54 AM, "Mark Kohut" <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Not too easily since the liers never/seldom admit wrong.  As this guy reminds using Mill, his vision of public dialogue
> was that self-correcting kind you speak of. Gone in many fora.
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> From: Michael Bailey <michael.lee.bailey at gmail.com>
> To: P-list <pynchon-l at waste.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Not overtly P. if interested, some analysis of American politics
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> It's funny, though...lies are deliberately false information but there is also incomplete information, wrong theories, and wrong assumptions in any discussion so a robust discussion needs to correct for these things to be any good, and the presence of a few or many lies can also be adjusted for, right?
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> On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Mark Kohut <markekohut at yahoo.com> wrote:
> and society via Mill and Freud and Arendt. Summary: Mill's public space of
> discussion to go back-and-forth now virutally gone since lies played no role in his
> argument. A lie-based group creates deep problems for aim-inhibited neurotics--
> the major other Group.
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> Freudian metaphors remind me of the N.O.Brown, early Pynchon strain of seeing History.
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> And newly-defined 'socialism' from the Left.
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> http://nplusonemag.com/politicopsychopathology
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